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In Your Dreams
2003-10-14 19:04:45 UTC
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washingtonpost.com

The Soviet Republic of Texas

Tuesday, October 14, 2003; Page A22

YOU MIGHT THINK America's rigged system of congressional elections
couldn't get much worse. Self-serving redistricting schemes nationwide
already have left an overwhelming number of seats in the House of
Representatives so uncompetitive that election results are practically
as preordained as in the old Soviet Union. In the last election, for
example, 98 percent of incumbents were reelected, and the average
winning candidate got more than 70 percent of the vote. More
candidates ran without any major-party opposition than won by a margin
of less than 20 percent. Yet even given this record, the
just-completed Texas congressional redistricting plan represents a new
low.

The plan grabbed headlines as a consequence of the flight by Democrats
-- twice -- from the state to prevent its adoption. The Democrats,
whose only hope, being in the minority in both houses, was to prevent
a quorum, eventually gave in; the legislature has adopted the plan.
It's abhorrent on two counts. Texas Republicans, egged on by U.S.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, violated a longstanding tradition by
redrawing the map in the middle of a census cycle. Their new rule
seems to be, why wait 10 years if you can cram something down your
opponents' throats today? And their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
We don't know whether the plan violates the Voting Rights Act or will
survive legal challenge. What is clear, however, is that it will
aggravate the triumph of extremes in Washington while further
sovietizing America's already-fixed electoral game.

The map Republicans have produced is a remarkable feat of
gerrymandering. The 19th District, once confined to the western side
of the state, now snakes halfway across it to scavenge voters from the
current district of Democratic Rep. Charles Stenholm. Beneath it now
sprawls the once-compact 11th District of Democratic Rep. Chet
Edwards, which has been completely redrawn to help a friend of George
W. Bush get elected to Congress. The south of the state now looks like
a pinstripe suit, with narrow districts snaking from north to south in
order to pack Hispanic-majority voters in just a few districts,
including a new one. Dallas liberal Martin Frost, meanwhile, suddenly
has a new district, 63 percent of whose voters are Republican. The
goal here is not subtle. As Republican state Rep. Phil King, who
helped draw the map, put it to the Austin American Statesman, "I would
suspect that [any Democrat] who is not in a minority district would
have a very competitive race."

The current Texas House delegation includes 17 Democrats and 15
Republicans. This balance, no doubt, is a residue of a time when
Democrats were more powerful in the state than they are today and
reflects deliberate incumbent protection by past legislatures. It
also, however, reflects the fact that some Democratic members have
effectively represented their increasingly conservative districts and
remained popular. The pernicious effect of partisan redistricting in
general is the weakening of the center with the creation of "safe"
seats for both parties -- which encourages the election of people
considerably to the left or right of the state's political center of
gravity. Do Texans really want a polarized delegation of 22
conservative Republicans and 10 liberal Democrats, as the current plan
envisions? Do they really want a state with a white party and a
minority party? Republican politicians are engineering it that way,
whatever voters may want. For redistricting -- quite the inverse of
elections -- is a process in which politicians get to choose their
voters. It is a process that a healthy democracy would seek to reform.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21839-2003Oct13.html
_____________________________________________________________________

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RedPill
2003-10-14 19:22:50 UTC
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and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this may
be only the beginning.


---redpill.
Post by In Your Dreams
washingtonpost.com
The Soviet Republic of Texas
Tuesday, October 14, 2003; Page A22
YOU MIGHT THINK America's rigged system of congressional elections
couldn't get much worse. Self-serving redistricting schemes nationwide
already have left an overwhelming number of seats in the House of
Representatives so uncompetitive that election results are practically
as preordained as in the old Soviet Union. In the last election, for
example, 98 percent of incumbents were reelected, and the average
winning candidate got more than 70 percent of the vote. More
candidates ran without any major-party opposition than won by a margin
of less than 20 percent. Yet even given this record, the
just-completed Texas congressional redistricting plan represents a new
low.
The plan grabbed headlines as a consequence of the flight by Democrats
-- twice -- from the state to prevent its adoption. The Democrats,
whose only hope, being in the minority in both houses, was to prevent
a quorum, eventually gave in; the legislature has adopted the plan.
It's abhorrent on two counts. Texas Republicans, egged on by U.S.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, violated a longstanding tradition by
redrawing the map in the middle of a census cycle. Their new rule
seems to be, why wait 10 years if you can cram something down your
opponents' throats today? And their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
We don't know whether the plan violates the Voting Rights Act or will
survive legal challenge. What is clear, however, is that it will
aggravate the triumph of extremes in Washington while further
sovietizing America's already-fixed electoral game.
The map Republicans have produced is a remarkable feat of
gerrymandering. The 19th District, once confined to the western side
of the state, now snakes halfway across it to scavenge voters from the
current district of Democratic Rep. Charles Stenholm. Beneath it now
sprawls the once-compact 11th District of Democratic Rep. Chet
Edwards, which has been completely redrawn to help a friend of George
W. Bush get elected to Congress. The south of the state now looks like
a pinstripe suit, with narrow districts snaking from north to south in
order to pack Hispanic-majority voters in just a few districts,
including a new one. Dallas liberal Martin Frost, meanwhile, suddenly
has a new district, 63 percent of whose voters are Republican. The
goal here is not subtle. As Republican state Rep. Phil King, who
helped draw the map, put it to the Austin American Statesman, "I would
suspect that [any Democrat] who is not in a minority district would
have a very competitive race."
The current Texas House delegation includes 17 Democrats and 15
Republicans. This balance, no doubt, is a residue of a time when
Democrats were more powerful in the state than they are today and
reflects deliberate incumbent protection by past legislatures. It
also, however, reflects the fact that some Democratic members have
effectively represented their increasingly conservative districts and
remained popular. The pernicious effect of partisan redistricting in
general is the weakening of the center with the creation of "safe"
seats for both parties -- which encourages the election of people
considerably to the left or right of the state's political center of
gravity. Do Texans really want a polarized delegation of 22
conservative Republicans and 10 liberal Democrats, as the current plan
envisions? Do they really want a state with a white party and a
minority party? Republican politicians are engineering it that way,
whatever voters may want. For redistricting -- quite the inverse of
elections -- is a process in which politicians get to choose their
voters. It is a process that a healthy democracy would seek to reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21839-2003Oct13.html
_____________________________________________________________________
http://votedelayout.org/
scott
2003-10-14 19:38:35 UTC
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You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they are. So
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats. I think
it was brilliant.
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this may
be only the beginning.
---redpill.
Post by In Your Dreams
washingtonpost.com
The Soviet Republic of Texas
Tuesday, October 14, 2003; Page A22
YOU MIGHT THINK America's rigged system of congressional elections
couldn't get much worse. Self-serving redistricting schemes nationwide
already have left an overwhelming number of seats in the House of
Representatives so uncompetitive that election results are practically
as preordained as in the old Soviet Union. In the last election, for
example, 98 percent of incumbents were reelected, and the average
winning candidate got more than 70 percent of the vote. More
candidates ran without any major-party opposition than won by a margin
of less than 20 percent. Yet even given this record, the
just-completed Texas congressional redistricting plan represents a new
low.
The plan grabbed headlines as a consequence of the flight by Democrats
-- twice -- from the state to prevent its adoption. The Democrats,
whose only hope, being in the minority in both houses, was to prevent
a quorum, eventually gave in; the legislature has adopted the plan.
It's abhorrent on two counts. Texas Republicans, egged on by U.S.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, violated a longstanding tradition by
redrawing the map in the middle of a census cycle. Their new rule
seems to be, why wait 10 years if you can cram something down your
opponents' throats today? And their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
We don't know whether the plan violates the Voting Rights Act or will
survive legal challenge. What is clear, however, is that it will
aggravate the triumph of extremes in Washington while further
sovietizing America's already-fixed electoral game.
The map Republicans have produced is a remarkable feat of
gerrymandering. The 19th District, once confined to the western side
of the state, now snakes halfway across it to scavenge voters from the
current district of Democratic Rep. Charles Stenholm. Beneath it now
sprawls the once-compact 11th District of Democratic Rep. Chet
Edwards, which has been completely redrawn to help a friend of George
W. Bush get elected to Congress. The south of the state now looks like
a pinstripe suit, with narrow districts snaking from north to south in
order to pack Hispanic-majority voters in just a few districts,
including a new one. Dallas liberal Martin Frost, meanwhile, suddenly
has a new district, 63 percent of whose voters are Republican. The
goal here is not subtle. As Republican state Rep. Phil King, who
helped draw the map, put it to the Austin American Statesman, "I would
suspect that [any Democrat] who is not in a minority district would
have a very competitive race."
The current Texas House delegation includes 17 Democrats and 15
Republicans. This balance, no doubt, is a residue of a time when
Democrats were more powerful in the state than they are today and
reflects deliberate incumbent protection by past legislatures. It
also, however, reflects the fact that some Democratic members have
effectively represented their increasingly conservative districts and
remained popular. The pernicious effect of partisan redistricting in
general is the weakening of the center with the creation of "safe"
seats for both parties -- which encourages the election of people
considerably to the left or right of the state's political center of
gravity. Do Texans really want a polarized delegation of 22
conservative Republicans and 10 liberal Democrats, as the current plan
envisions? Do they really want a state with a white party and a
minority party? Republican politicians are engineering it that way,
whatever voters may want. For redistricting -- quite the inverse of
elections -- is a process in which politicians get to choose their
voters. It is a process that a healthy democracy would seek to reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21839-2003Oct13.html
_____________________________________________________________________
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
http://votedelayout.org/
RedPill
2003-10-14 21:04:20 UTC
Permalink
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can argue all
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back towards the
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.


---redpill.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they are. So
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats. I think
it was brilliant.
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this
may
Post by RedPill
be only the beginning.
---redpill.
Post by In Your Dreams
washingtonpost.com
The Soviet Republic of Texas
Tuesday, October 14, 2003; Page A22
YOU MIGHT THINK America's rigged system of congressional elections
couldn't get much worse. Self-serving redistricting schemes
nationwide
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
already have left an overwhelming number of seats in the House of
Representatives so uncompetitive that election results are
practically
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
as preordained as in the old Soviet Union. In the last election, for
example, 98 percent of incumbents were reelected, and the average
winning candidate got more than 70 percent of the vote. More
candidates ran without any major-party opposition than won by a
margin
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
of less than 20 percent. Yet even given this record, the
just-completed Texas congressional redistricting plan represents a
new
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
low.
The plan grabbed headlines as a consequence of the flight by
Democrats
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
-- twice -- from the state to prevent its adoption. The Democrats,
whose only hope, being in the minority in both houses, was to prevent
a quorum, eventually gave in; the legislature has adopted the plan.
It's abhorrent on two counts. Texas Republicans, egged on by U.S.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, violated a longstanding tradition by
redrawing the map in the middle of a census cycle. Their new rule
seems to be, why wait 10 years if you can cram something down your
opponents' throats today? And their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
We don't know whether the plan violates the Voting Rights Act or will
survive legal challenge. What is clear, however, is that it will
aggravate the triumph of extremes in Washington while further
sovietizing America's already-fixed electoral game.
The map Republicans have produced is a remarkable feat of
gerrymandering. The 19th District, once confined to the western side
of the state, now snakes halfway across it to scavenge voters from
the
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
current district of Democratic Rep. Charles Stenholm. Beneath it now
sprawls the once-compact 11th District of Democratic Rep. Chet
Edwards, which has been completely redrawn to help a friend of George
W. Bush get elected to Congress. The south of the state now looks
like
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
a pinstripe suit, with narrow districts snaking from north to south
in
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
order to pack Hispanic-majority voters in just a few districts,
including a new one. Dallas liberal Martin Frost, meanwhile, suddenly
has a new district, 63 percent of whose voters are Republican. The
goal here is not subtle. As Republican state Rep. Phil King, who
helped draw the map, put it to the Austin American Statesman, "I
would
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
suspect that [any Democrat] who is not in a minority district would
have a very competitive race."
The current Texas House delegation includes 17 Democrats and 15
Republicans. This balance, no doubt, is a residue of a time when
Democrats were more powerful in the state than they are today and
reflects deliberate incumbent protection by past legislatures. It
also, however, reflects the fact that some Democratic members have
effectively represented their increasingly conservative districts and
remained popular. The pernicious effect of partisan redistricting in
general is the weakening of the center with the creation of "safe"
seats for both parties -- which encourages the election of people
considerably to the left or right of the state's political center of
gravity. Do Texans really want a polarized delegation of 22
conservative Republicans and 10 liberal Democrats, as the current
plan
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
envisions? Do they really want a state with a white party and a
minority party? Republican politicians are engineering it that way,
whatever voters may want. For redistricting -- quite the inverse of
elections -- is a process in which politicians get to choose their
voters. It is a process that a healthy democracy would seek to
reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21839-2003Oct13.html
Post by scott
_____________________________________________________________________
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
http://votedelayout.org/
Bill Walker
2003-10-14 21:18:41 UTC
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Post by RedPill
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can argue all
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back towards the
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
---redpill.
We are all hoping for a humiliating defeat for this americanized despot..
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they are. So
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats. I
think
Post by scott
it was brilliant.
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this
may
Post by RedPill
be only the beginning.
---redpill.
Post by In Your Dreams
washingtonpost.com
The Soviet Republic of Texas
Tuesday, October 14, 2003; Page A22
YOU MIGHT THINK America's rigged system of congressional elections
couldn't get much worse. Self-serving redistricting schemes
nationwide
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
already have left an overwhelming number of seats in the House of
Representatives so uncompetitive that election results are
practically
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
as preordained as in the old Soviet Union. In the last election,
for
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
example, 98 percent of incumbents were reelected, and the average
winning candidate got more than 70 percent of the vote. More
candidates ran without any major-party opposition than won by a
margin
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
of less than 20 percent. Yet even given this record, the
just-completed Texas congressional redistricting plan represents a
new
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
low.
The plan grabbed headlines as a consequence of the flight by
Democrats
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
-- twice -- from the state to prevent its adoption. The Democrats,
whose only hope, being in the minority in both houses, was to
prevent
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
a quorum, eventually gave in; the legislature has adopted the plan.
It's abhorrent on two counts. Texas Republicans, egged on by U.S.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, violated a longstanding
tradition
Post by RedPill
by
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
redrawing the map in the middle of a census cycle. Their new rule
seems to be, why wait 10 years if you can cram something down your
opponents' throats today? And their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional
delegation.
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
We don't know whether the plan violates the Voting Rights Act or
will
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
survive legal challenge. What is clear, however, is that it will
aggravate the triumph of extremes in Washington while further
sovietizing America's already-fixed electoral game.
The map Republicans have produced is a remarkable feat of
gerrymandering. The 19th District, once confined to the western
side
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
of the state, now snakes halfway across it to scavenge voters from
the
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
current district of Democratic Rep. Charles Stenholm. Beneath it
now
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
sprawls the once-compact 11th District of Democratic Rep. Chet
Edwards, which has been completely redrawn to help a friend of
George
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
W. Bush get elected to Congress. The south of the state now looks
like
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
a pinstripe suit, with narrow districts snaking from north to south
in
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
order to pack Hispanic-majority voters in just a few districts,
including a new one. Dallas liberal Martin Frost, meanwhile,
suddenly
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
has a new district, 63 percent of whose voters are Republican. The
goal here is not subtle. As Republican state Rep. Phil King, who
helped draw the map, put it to the Austin American Statesman, "I
would
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
suspect that [any Democrat] who is not in a minority district would
have a very competitive race."
The current Texas House delegation includes 17 Democrats and 15
Republicans. This balance, no doubt, is a residue of a time when
Democrats were more powerful in the state than they are today and
reflects deliberate incumbent protection by past legislatures. It
also, however, reflects the fact that some Democratic members have
effectively represented their increasingly conservative districts
and
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
remained popular. The pernicious effect of partisan redistricting
in
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
general is the weakening of the center with the creation of "safe"
seats for both parties -- which encourages the election of people
considerably to the left or right of the state's political center
of
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
gravity. Do Texans really want a polarized delegation of 22
conservative Republicans and 10 liberal Democrats, as the current
plan
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
envisions? Do they really want a state with a white party and a
minority party? Republican politicians are engineering it that way,
whatever voters may want. For redistricting -- quite the inverse of
elections -- is a process in which politicians get to choose their
voters. It is a process that a healthy democracy would seek to
reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21839-2003Oct13.html
Post by scott
_____________________________________________________________________
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
http://votedelayout.org/
Toby Petzold
2003-10-15 13:58:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can argue
all
Post by RedPill
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back towards
the
Post by RedPill
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
We are all hoping for a humiliating defeat for this americanized despot..
Not me, you semi-literate turd. Why don't you go back to France?

Toby Petzold

http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 15:51:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can argue
all
Post by RedPill
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back towards
the
Post by RedPill
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
We are all hoping for a humiliating defeat for this americanized despot..
Not me, you semi-literate turd. Why don't you go back to France?
Toby Petzold
With a great big grin, I can only imagine the agonizing pain this
marginalized idiot will feel as the world turns .. Never been to France,
"dummy", but I have brushed away gnats like you for many years.. ROTFL
Post by Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
scott
2003-10-14 22:40:36 UTC
Permalink
Saving post to desktop and how you doing Redpill ? Another day at the
circus. /smile

"
Post by RedPill
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can argue all
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back towards the
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
---redpill.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they are. So
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats. I
think
Post by scott
it was brilliant.
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this
may
Post by RedPill
be only the beginning.
---redpill.
Post by In Your Dreams
washingtonpost.com
The Soviet Republic of Texas
Tuesday, October 14, 2003; Page A22
YOU MIGHT THINK America's rigged system of congressional elections
couldn't get much worse. Self-serving redistricting schemes
nationwide
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
already have left an overwhelming number of seats in the House of
Representatives so uncompetitive that election results are
practically
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
as preordained as in the old Soviet Union. In the last election,
for
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
example, 98 percent of incumbents were reelected, and the average
winning candidate got more than 70 percent of the vote. More
candidates ran without any major-party opposition than won by a
margin
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
of less than 20 percent. Yet even given this record, the
just-completed Texas congressional redistricting plan represents a
new
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
low.
The plan grabbed headlines as a consequence of the flight by
Democrats
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
-- twice -- from the state to prevent its adoption. The Democrats,
whose only hope, being in the minority in both houses, was to
prevent
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
a quorum, eventually gave in; the legislature has adopted the plan.
It's abhorrent on two counts. Texas Republicans, egged on by U.S.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, violated a longstanding
tradition
Post by RedPill
by
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
redrawing the map in the middle of a census cycle. Their new rule
seems to be, why wait 10 years if you can cram something down your
opponents' throats today? And their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional
delegation.
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
We don't know whether the plan violates the Voting Rights Act or
will
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
survive legal challenge. What is clear, however, is that it will
aggravate the triumph of extremes in Washington while further
sovietizing America's already-fixed electoral game.
The map Republicans have produced is a remarkable feat of
gerrymandering. The 19th District, once confined to the western
side
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
of the state, now snakes halfway across it to scavenge voters from
the
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
current district of Democratic Rep. Charles Stenholm. Beneath it
now
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
sprawls the once-compact 11th District of Democratic Rep. Chet
Edwards, which has been completely redrawn to help a friend of
George
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
W. Bush get elected to Congress. The south of the state now looks
like
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
a pinstripe suit, with narrow districts snaking from north to south
in
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
order to pack Hispanic-majority voters in just a few districts,
including a new one. Dallas liberal Martin Frost, meanwhile,
suddenly
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
has a new district, 63 percent of whose voters are Republican. The
goal here is not subtle. As Republican state Rep. Phil King, who
helped draw the map, put it to the Austin American Statesman, "I
would
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
suspect that [any Democrat] who is not in a minority district would
have a very competitive race."
The current Texas House delegation includes 17 Democrats and 15
Republicans. This balance, no doubt, is a residue of a time when
Democrats were more powerful in the state than they are today and
reflects deliberate incumbent protection by past legislatures. It
also, however, reflects the fact that some Democratic members have
effectively represented their increasingly conservative districts
and
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
remained popular. The pernicious effect of partisan redistricting
in
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
general is the weakening of the center with the creation of "safe"
seats for both parties -- which encourages the election of people
considerably to the left or right of the state's political center
of
Post by scott
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
gravity. Do Texans really want a polarized delegation of 22
conservative Republicans and 10 liberal Democrats, as the current
plan
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
envisions? Do they really want a state with a white party and a
minority party? Republican politicians are engineering it that way,
whatever voters may want. For redistricting -- quite the inverse of
elections -- is a process in which politicians get to choose their
voters. It is a process that a healthy democracy would seek to
reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21839-2003Oct13.html
Post by scott
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yea, all I have to do to find the circus is turn on the boob toob or read
the latest propaganda from Washington. the economy is doing great, (that's
why employers continue to cut down their labor count) etc.


--redpill.
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Saving post to desktop and how you doing Redpill ? Another day at the
circus. /smile
"
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and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can argue
all
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night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back towards
the
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center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
---redpill.
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You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they
are.
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So
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stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats. I
think
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it was brilliant.
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and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually.
this
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may
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be only the beginning.
---redpill.
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washingtonpost.com
The Soviet Republic of Texas
Tuesday, October 14, 2003; Page A22
YOU MIGHT THINK America's rigged system of congressional
elections
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couldn't get much worse. Self-serving redistricting schemes
nationwide
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already have left an overwhelming number of seats in the House of
Representatives so uncompetitive that election results are
practically
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as preordained as in the old Soviet Union. In the last election,
for
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example, 98 percent of incumbents were reelected, and the average
winning candidate got more than 70 percent of the vote. More
candidates ran without any major-party opposition than won by a
margin
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of less than 20 percent. Yet even given this record, the
just-completed Texas congressional redistricting plan
represents
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a
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new
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low.
The plan grabbed headlines as a consequence of the flight by
Democrats
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-- twice -- from the state to prevent its adoption. The
Democrats,
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whose only hope, being in the minority in both houses, was to
prevent
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a quorum, eventually gave in; the legislature has adopted the
plan.
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It's abhorrent on two counts. Texas Republicans, egged on by U.S.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, violated a longstanding
tradition
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by
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redrawing the map in the middle of a census cycle. Their new rule
seems to be, why wait 10 years if you can cram something down
your
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opponents' throats today? And their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional
delegation.
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We don't know whether the plan violates the Voting Rights Act or
will
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survive legal challenge. What is clear, however, is that it will
aggravate the triumph of extremes in Washington while further
sovietizing America's already-fixed electoral game.
The map Republicans have produced is a remarkable feat of
gerrymandering. The 19th District, once confined to the western
side
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of the state, now snakes halfway across it to scavenge voters
from
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the
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current district of Democratic Rep. Charles Stenholm. Beneath it
now
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sprawls the once-compact 11th District of Democratic Rep. Chet
Edwards, which has been completely redrawn to help a friend of
George
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W. Bush get elected to Congress. The south of the state now looks
like
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a pinstripe suit, with narrow districts snaking from north to
south
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in
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order to pack Hispanic-majority voters in just a few districts,
including a new one. Dallas liberal Martin Frost, meanwhile,
suddenly
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has a new district, 63 percent of whose voters are Republican.
The
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goal here is not subtle. As Republican state Rep. Phil King, who
helped draw the map, put it to the Austin American Statesman, "I
would
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suspect that [any Democrat] who is not in a minority district
would
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have a very competitive race."
The current Texas House delegation includes 17 Democrats and 15
Republicans. This balance, no doubt, is a residue of a time when
Democrats were more powerful in the state than they are today and
reflects deliberate incumbent protection by past legislatures. It
also, however, reflects the fact that some Democratic members
have
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effectively represented their increasingly conservative districts
and
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remained popular. The pernicious effect of partisan
redistricting
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in
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general is the weakening of the center with the creation of
"safe"
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seats for both parties -- which encourages the election of people
considerably to the left or right of the state's political center
of
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gravity. Do Texans really want a polarized delegation of 22
conservative Republicans and 10 liberal Democrats, as the current
plan
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envisions? Do they really want a state with a white party and a
minority party? Republican politicians are engineering it that
way,
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whatever voters may want. For redistricting -- quite the
inverse
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of
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elections -- is a process in which politicians get to choose
their
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voters. It is a process that a healthy democracy would seek to
reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21839-2003Oct13.html
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God Bless Texas
2003-10-16 13:21:27 UTC
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yea, all I have to do to find the circus is turn on the boob toob or read
the latest propaganda from Washington. the economy is doing great, (that's
why employers continue to cut down their labor count) etc.
Son, you might ought get your news from some other source. Employers have
steadied out in layoffs, and are projecting hiring for the coming year. The
markets are back in "bull" mode.

But, there is none so blind as them that will not see . . .
Bill Walker
2003-10-16 14:13:27 UTC
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yea, all I have to do to find the circus is turn on the boob toob or read
the latest propaganda from Washington. the economy is doing great, (that's
why employers continue to cut down their labor count) etc.
Son, you might ought get your news from some other source. Employers have
steadied out in layoffs, and are projecting hiring for the coming year.
The
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markets are back in "bull" mode.
But, there is none so blind as them that will not see .
Tell that to the ones who are without a job for the past couple of years...
no benefits.. lost homes and other assets... Bull market , my ass... Layoffs
announced weekly... Over two million jobs lost since Dubya promised ALL the
answers and returning integrity to the white house with bi-partisan
co-operation on both sides of the aisles... Sure... everything is rosy..
Body bags coming back from Iraq and Afganistan daily.. You tell 'em boy..
Bush has fulfilled all his campaign promises and never lied... Go for it
Bubba... one step away from authoritarian government.. Explain to the
recipients of those body bags, how Dubya delivered respect, integrity and
honor to our military while he cut the budget to the bone for the VA
hospitals .. Describe how well off all these families are, while his budget
cuts decreased the pay and benefits for the military.. You go, boy.... We'd
like to hear all about the wonderful progress of our economy while Ashcroft
whittles our freedoms and rights and our media is being monopolized with the
policies of the FCC.. Interesting how this president campaigned on lies and
hasn't failed to lie to the American people and the world since he took
office... Tell us all about the progress of the corporations who financed
and packaged this corrupt bunch.. Now they are all making billions of
taxpayer dollars profiteering on the wars, created by this administration...
Let's hear from all who believe you ..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx....
God Bless Texas
2003-10-16 14:50:07 UTC
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"Bill Walker" <***@verizon.net> wrote

First, wipe the foam away from your mouth. If you cannot or will not
converse rationally, then I pity you, but will not waste further time on
replying to your rants.
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Tell that to the ones who are without a job for the past couple of years...
no benefits.. lost homes and other assets... Bull market , my ass... Layoffs
announced weekly... Over two million jobs lost since Dubya promised ALL the
answers and returning integrity to the white house with bi-partisan
co-operation on both sides of the aisles... Sure... everything is rosy..
I've been layed off in the interim - it's called a "market correction" and
it happens regularly under the capitalist form of economic markets. Is that
what you have problems with? Or do you think it's GW's fault since it
happened while he and his admin were in power? Hint - it would have
happened under Gore, too - we were ripe for a correction due to the
unbelievable inflation in share prices for companies offering no product and
no service. And did I say "everything is rosy?"
Post by Bill Walker
Body bags coming back from Iraq and Afganistan daily.. You tell 'em boy..
Yep, happens during a war, whether in the "shooting" phase or in the "police
action" phase. Best of my knowledge, we're working as hard as we can to
hand over governance to the locals. Got any concrete suggestions as to how
to make it happen faster?
Post by Bill Walker
Bush has fulfilled all his campaign promises and never lied... Go for it
Bubba... one step away from authoritarian government.. Explain to the
What are you talking about here? You don't seem to realize what the phrase
"authoritarian goverment" implies.
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recipients of those body bags, how Dubya delivered respect, integrity and
honor to our military while he cut the budget to the bone for the VA
hospitals .. Describe how well off all these families are, while his budget
cuts decreased the pay and benefits for the military.. You go, boy.... We'd
Were we talking about this? I thought this discussion was about the
economy, not government spending.
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like to hear all about the wonderful progress of our economy while Ashcroft
whittles our freedoms and rights and our media is being monopolized with the
policies of the FCC.. Interesting how this president campaigned on lies and
Um, you don't have concepts very clearly separated in your brain, do you?
The "economy" does not include our "freedoms and rights," and to the best of
my knowledge the proposed FCC actions were overturned and not implemented.
Are you living in such fear that even proposed actions cause you to panic?
Post by Bill Walker
hasn't failed to lie to the American people and the world since he took
office... Tell us all about the progress of the corporations who financed
and packaged this corrupt bunch.. Now they are all making billions of
taxpayer dollars profiteering on the wars, created by this
administration...

Most corporations contribute to political campaigns, and most contribute to
both parties. Not all of them are making billions "profiteering" on the
wars.

Do you have any constructive suggestions, such as how the contracts for
rebuilding Iraq's oilfields should have been handled?
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Let's hear from all who believe you ..
No, let's hear from you - make one positive contribution to the discussion.
charliekilo
2003-10-16 15:16:22 UTC
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First, wipe the foam away from your mouth. If you cannot or will not
converse rationally, then I pity you, but will not waste further time on
replying to your rants.
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Tell that to the ones who are without a job for the past couple of
years...
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no benefits.. lost homes and other assets... Bull market , my ass...
Layoffs
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announced weekly... Over two million jobs lost since Dubya promised ALL
the
Post by Bill Walker
answers and returning integrity to the white house with bi-partisan
co-operation on both sides of the aisles... Sure... everything is rosy..
I've been layed off in the interim - it's called a "market correction" and
it happens regularly under the capitalist form of economic markets. Is that
what you have problems with? Or do you think it's GW's fault since it
happened while he and his admin were in power? Hint - it would have
happened under Gore, too - we were ripe for a correction due to the
unbelievable inflation in share prices for companies offering no product and
no service. And did I say "everything is rosy?"
Post by Bill Walker
Body bags coming back from Iraq and Afganistan daily.. You tell 'em boy..
Yep, happens during a war, whether in the "shooting" phase or in the "police
action" phase. Best of my knowledge, we're working as hard as we can to
hand over governance to the locals. Got any concrete suggestions as to how
to make it happen faster?
Post by Bill Walker
Bush has fulfilled all his campaign promises and never lied... Go for it
Bubba... one step away from authoritarian government.. Explain to the
What are you talking about here? You don't seem to realize what the phrase
"authoritarian goverment" implies.
Post by Bill Walker
recipients of those body bags, how Dubya delivered respect, integrity and
honor to our military while he cut the budget to the bone for the VA
hospitals .. Describe how well off all these families are, while his
budget
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cuts decreased the pay and benefits for the military.. You go, boy....
We'd
Were we talking about this? I thought this discussion was about the
economy, not government spending.
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like to hear all about the wonderful progress of our economy while
Ashcroft
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whittles our freedoms and rights and our media is being monopolized with
the
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policies of the FCC.. Interesting how this president campaigned on lies
and
Um, you don't have concepts very clearly separated in your brain, do you?
The "economy" does not include our "freedoms and rights," and to the best of
my knowledge the proposed FCC actions were overturned and not implemented.
Are you living in such fear that even proposed actions cause you to panic?
Post by Bill Walker
hasn't failed to lie to the American people and the world since he took
office... Tell us all about the progress of the corporations who financed
and packaged this corrupt bunch.. Now they are all making billions of
taxpayer dollars profiteering on the wars, created by this
administration...
Most corporations contribute to political campaigns, and most contribute to
both parties. Not all of them are making billions "profiteering" on the
wars.
Do you have any constructive suggestions, such as how the contracts for
rebuilding Iraq's oilfields should have been handled?
Post by Bill Walker
Let's hear from all who believe you ..
No, let's hear from you - make one positive contribution to the discussion.
You're asking for the impossible...Bill Walker and Redpill can ONLY complain
and place the blame for EVERYTHING wrong in the world on the shoulders of
G.W. Bush. When they do offer a suggestion it's only some utopian pap pulled
fro the pages of Marx but without the eloquence.
Bill Walker
2003-10-16 15:51:19 UTC
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You wouldn't know Marx if he stepped on your foot.. Plainly, your family
hasn't received one of the "body bags". Obviously, you haven't lost your
home .. And one other thing, I sign most of my postings with my real name..
Noticeably, you do not.. Which VA hospitals are you advocating the closing
for ?? How much should we cut the pay and benefits for the military, while
they are doing "your" duty time in Iraq and Afganistan.? You are a sorry two
faced coward, every time you suggest someone is a Marxist..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
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2003-10-16 15:44:01 UTC
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First, wipe the foam away from your mouth. If you cannot or will not
converse rationally, then I pity you, but will not waste further time on
replying to your rants.
That's about the response we usually get from the Bush supporters...
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Tell that to the ones who are without a job for the past couple of
years...
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no benefits.. lost homes and other assets... Bull market , my ass...
Layoffs
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announced weekly... Over two million jobs lost since Dubya promised ALL
the
Post by Bill Walker
answers and returning integrity to the white house with bi-partisan
co-operation on both sides of the aisles... Sure... everything is rosy..
I've been layed off in the interim - it's called a "market correction" and
it happens regularly under the capitalist form of economic markets.
Good... you are one, that got what he voted for.. shut up and grin...Problem
is, a lot of people who didn't vote for this idiot, have to suffer along
with you..

Is that
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what you have problems with? Or do you think it's GW's fault since it
happened while he and his admin were in power?
Yep... the policies of this administration are responsible for the economic
mess we have.. He has no idea what to do to correct it...

Hint - it would have
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happened under Gore, too - we were ripe for a correction due to the
unbelievable inflation in share prices for companies offering no product and
no service. And did I say "everything is rosy?"
I am nor was a Gore advocate.. I voted for him because I recognized Bush for
what he is.. No one knows how Gore would have done as president, since none
have the "crystal ball" to peer into.. Chances are, though, he would have
known a bit more of how to sidestep the freefall economy than George W.
Bush..
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Body bags coming back from Iraq and Afganistan daily.. You tell 'em boy..
Yep, happens during a war, whether in the "shooting" phase or in the "police
action" phase.
Yep.. sure does... That's what many of us said when Bush was lying to
America and the world about this war and the necessity to invade another
country.. You voted for it, so let the ones who didn't, vent it..

Best of my knowledge, we're working as hard as we can to
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hand over governance to the locals. Got any concrete suggestions as to how
to make it happen faster?
Well... the best way to avoid a "war" is "not to start one".. This is George
W. Bush's war and the ones who support him and his foreign policies. The
taxpayers of America are invested in this one, now.. It is too late to just
walk away..
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Post by Bill Walker
Bush has fulfilled all his campaign promises and never lied... Go for it
Bubba... one step away from authoritarian government.. Explain to the
What are you talking about here? You don't seem to realize what the phrase
"authoritarian goverment" implies.
I understand exactly what an "authoritarian" government implies.. We are
just a short step away from living under one...
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by Bill Walker
recipients of those body bags, how Dubya delivered respect, integrity and
honor to our military while he cut the budget to the bone for the VA
hospitals .. Describe how well off all these families are, while his
budget
Post by Bill Walker
cuts decreased the pay and benefits for the military.. You go, boy....
We'd
Were we talking about this? I thought this discussion was about the
economy, not government spending.
Unless you address all the hypocrisies of Bush and his administration, you
are not talking about "anything" .. Or, would you rather just address the
"good" and "pleasant" "feel good" issues..??
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Post by Bill Walker
like to hear all about the wonderful progress of our economy while
Ashcroft
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whittles our freedoms and rights and our media is being monopolized with
the
Post by Bill Walker
policies of the FCC.. Interesting how this president campaigned on lies
and
Um, you don't have concepts very clearly separated in your brain, do you?
What concepts would you like to address ?? This president takes advantage of
every opportunity to posture himself as a veteran, a military advocate and
all the while he is doing his photo ops, he is undermining their future
security by slashing budgets and benefits for them...
Post by God Bless Texas
The "economy" does not include our "freedoms and rights," and to the best of
my knowledge the proposed FCC actions were overturned and not implemented.
Are you living in such fear that even proposed actions cause you to panic?
Our freedoms and rights are not separate issues.. With this president, all
are linked and integral.. Where is the defense of these policies and the
failures of them..
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by Bill Walker
hasn't failed to lie to the American people and the world since he took
office... Tell us all about the progress of the corporations who financed
and packaged this corrupt bunch.. Now they are all making billions of
taxpayer dollars profiteering on the wars, created by this
administration...
Most corporations contribute to political campaigns, and most contribute to
both parties. Not all of them are making billions "profiteering" on the
wars.
Absolutely right.. the ones who are closest to this administration are the
ones who are enjoying windfall profits at the expense of the taxpayers..
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Do you have any constructive suggestions, such as how the contracts for
rebuilding Iraq's oilfields should have been handled?
There are many, and you might refer to my comment, "the best way to avoid a
war is to not start one"
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Post by Bill Walker
Let's hear from all who believe you ..
No, let's hear from you - make one positive contribution to the discussion.
Dance away.. your rhetoric isn't impressive.. There is nothing I, You, or
Anyone can say to be "positive" about what this idiot is doing to our
Nation..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
RedPill
2003-10-16 16:30:01 UTC
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'projected hiring' is not the same as hiring. when the jobs start coming
back, then you can say hiring. course, I hear there's lots of hiring
overseas as our patriotic American corporations move their businesses
overseas.


--redpill.
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Post by RedPill
yea, all I have to do to find the circus is turn on the boob toob or read
the latest propaganda from Washington. the economy is doing great, (that's
why employers continue to cut down their labor count) etc.
Son, you might ought get your news from some other source. Employers have
steadied out in layoffs, and are projecting hiring for the coming year.
The
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markets are back in "bull" mode.
But, there is none so blind as them that will not see . . .
Toby Petzold
2003-10-15 13:53:49 UTC
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and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can argue all
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back towards the
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they are. So
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats. I think
it was brilliant.
redpill, the only thing your analogy proves is that you are an
ignorant wad of smegma. You know nothing of History. I just wonder
what sorry sacks of garbage like you are going to do when Bush wins
re-election. Maybe you'll do the honorable thing and take a Roman
bath.

Toby Petzold

http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Redpill
2003-10-15 15:25:49 UTC
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like i said, the pendulum always swings back. that's the nature of our
representative democracy. the odds/history are against bush because of
this fact. just as when the pendulum swings left, then things eventually
start going right again, towards center. i know you don't want to hear it
but i'm only preparing you for the inevitable. the BEST thing that could
happen to george would be another big terrorist attack, because then the
fear would come back, and the right would have a better chance of keeping
their knobby little grubby fingers on the reigns of power. see, fear
sells. it makes people do/think things they would not ordinarily think/do.
mark my words, unless this country gets another major attack close to the
election, george is out. (or unless the godfather (ronnie) dies soon
before the election, whichever comes first. i know you all don't want to
hear this, but its the painful reality of our world.


---redpill.
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and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can argue all
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back towards the
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they are. So
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats. I think
it was brilliant.
redpill, the only thing your analogy proves is that you are an
ignorant wad of smegma. You know nothing of History. I just wonder
what sorry sacks of garbage like you are going to do when Bush wins
re-election. Maybe you'll do the honorable thing and take a Roman
bath.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Brian Hoffmann
2003-10-15 16:20:17 UTC
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Post by Redpill
like i said, the pendulum always swings back. that's the nature of our
representative democracy. the odds/history are against bush because of
this fact. just as when the pendulum swings left, then things eventually
start going right again, towards center. i know you don't want to hear it
but i'm only preparing you for the inevitable. the BEST thing that could
happen to george would be another big terrorist attack, because then the
fear would come back, and the right would have a better chance of keeping
their knobby little grubby fingers on the reigns of power.
And does the left now want their grubby fingers around those reigns?

see, fear
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sells.
And what is it that the liberal Dems are doing???
Selling fear.
Kinda like, saying we are headed for really bad times unless you elect me as
your next president?
Would that be the same fear selling to which you refer?
Post by Redpill
it makes people do/think things they would not ordinarily think/do.
Exactly, and you've bought it hook, line and sinker redpill!
Post by Redpill
mark my words, unless this country gets another major attack close to the
election, george is out.
Don't count on it.
The pendulum is still swinging to the right.
It may come back left at some point, just not next year.

(or unless the godfather (ronnie) dies soon
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before the election, whichever comes first. i know you all don't want to
hear this, but its the painful reality of our world.
Reality is very clear when not clouded with hate/fear from those you wish to
take the reigns of power.
remember that.
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---redpill.
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and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can argue all
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back towards the
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they are. So
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats. I think
it was brilliant.
redpill, the only thing your analogy proves is that you are an
ignorant wad of smegma. You know nothing of History. I just wonder
what sorry sacks of garbage like you are going to do when Bush wins
re-election. Maybe you'll do the honorable thing and take a Roman
bath.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
RedPill
2003-10-15 18:29:10 UTC
Permalink
the difference between you and I are that I know who REALLY has control of
OUR government, and you don't. you actually believe george and his rich,
business owning friends(one of which is Kenny boy ken lay)(Kenny boy is the
nickname george calls him by, in private) care one iota about you or any
other person who works for a living. that is very naive. george, et al. were
born into wealth and have no concept of the real world, the one the other
95% of Americans live in. you've been plugged into the matrix too long. how
can you actually fall for the idea that these blue blood richies give a
rats ass about anything but their own families and their money. comon' I
know you are smarter than that. do you think Kenny boy and his top brass
gave a rat's ass about the other 10,000 families 401K plans??? course not,
they were only thinking about how much money they could steal. put yourself
in their shoes. would YOU give a rats ass about paying taxes, or equal
representation in our government if you had a hundred million stashed
away??? no, unless you are that rare individual who can look and see the
whole picture and realize that if the government does what's best for ALL
citizens, then ALL citizens, including the Rich, will do better IN THE LONG
RUN. think and do some reading for a change and stop watching corporate
sponsored CNN and FOXhole news et al.
www.inequality.org
www.epinet.org
www.mediawatch.org


--redpill.
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
like i said, the pendulum always swings back. that's the nature of our
representative democracy. the odds/history are against bush because of
this fact. just as when the pendulum swings left, then things eventually
start going right again, towards center. i know you don't want to hear it
but i'm only preparing you for the inevitable. the BEST thing that could
happen to george would be another big terrorist attack, because then the
fear would come back, and the right would have a better chance of keeping
their knobby little grubby fingers on the reigns of power.
And does the left now want their grubby fingers around those reigns?
see, fear
Post by Redpill
sells.
And what is it that the liberal Dems are doing???
Selling fear.
Kinda like, saying we are headed for really bad times unless you elect me as
your next president?
Would that be the same fear selling to which you refer?
Post by Redpill
it makes people do/think things they would not ordinarily think/do.
Exactly, and you've bought it hook, line and sinker redpill!
Post by Redpill
mark my words, unless this country gets another major attack close to the
election, george is out.
Don't count on it.
The pendulum is still swinging to the right.
It may come back left at some point, just not next year.
(or unless the godfather (ronnie) dies soon
Post by Redpill
before the election, whichever comes first. i know you all don't want to
hear this, but its the painful reality of our world.
Reality is very clear when not clouded with hate/fear from those you wish to
take the reigns of power.
remember that.
Post by Redpill
---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can
argue
Post by Brian Hoffmann
all
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back
towards the
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they
are. So
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats.
I
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
think
it was brilliant.
redpill, the only thing your analogy proves is that you are an
ignorant wad of smegma. You know nothing of History. I just wonder
what sorry sacks of garbage like you are going to do when Bush wins
re-election. Maybe you'll do the honorable thing and take a Roman
bath.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
GI Joe
2003-10-15 19:08:16 UTC
Permalink
Post by RedPill
the difference between you and I are that I know who REALLY has control of
OUR government, and you don't. you actually believe george and his rich,
business owning friends(one of which is Kenny boy ken lay)(Kenny boy is the
nickname george calls him by, in private) care one iota about you or any
other person who works for a living. that is very naive. george, et al. were
born into wealth and have no concept of the real world, the one the other
95% of Americans live in. you've been plugged into the matrix too long. how
can you actually fall for the idea that these blue blood richies give a
rats ass about anything but their own families and their money. comon' I
know you are smarter than that. do you think Kenny boy and his top brass
gave a rat's ass about the other 10,000 families 401K plans??? course not,
they were only thinking about how much money they could steal. put yourself
in their shoes. would YOU give a rats ass about paying taxes, or equal
representation in our government if you had a hundred million stashed
away??? no, unless you are that rare individual who can look and see the
whole picture and realize that if the government does what's best for ALL
citizens, then ALL citizens, including the Rich, will do better IN THE LONG
RUN. think and do some reading for a change and stop watching corporate
sponsored CNN and FOXhole news et al.
www.inequality.org
www.epinet.org
www.mediawatch.org
--redpill.
But now Terry Mcaulliff, chairman of the DNC, (the RICH Democrat who hooked
em with 8 million of Global Crossing stockholders bucks) is your hero
right?
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
like i said, the pendulum always swings back. that's the nature of our
representative democracy. the odds/history are against bush because of
this fact. just as when the pendulum swings left, then things eventually
start going right again, towards center. i know you don't want to hear
it
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
but i'm only preparing you for the inevitable. the BEST thing that could
happen to george would be another big terrorist attack, because then the
fear would come back, and the right would have a better chance of
keeping
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
their knobby little grubby fingers on the reigns of power.
And does the left now want their grubby fingers around those reigns?
see, fear
Post by Redpill
sells.
And what is it that the liberal Dems are doing???
Selling fear.
Kinda like, saying we are headed for really bad times unless you elect
me
Post by RedPill
as
Post by Brian Hoffmann
your next president?
Would that be the same fear selling to which you refer?
Post by Redpill
it makes people do/think things they would not ordinarily think/do.
Exactly, and you've bought it hook, line and sinker redpill!
Post by Redpill
mark my words, unless this country gets another major attack close to
the
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
election, george is out.
Don't count on it.
The pendulum is still swinging to the right.
It may come back left at some point, just not next year.
(or unless the godfather (ronnie) dies soon
Post by Redpill
before the election, whichever comes first. i know you all don't want to
hear this, but its the painful reality of our world.
Reality is very clear when not clouded with hate/fear from those you
wish
Post by RedPill
to
Post by Brian Hoffmann
take the reigns of power.
remember that.
Post by Redpill
---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can
argue
Post by Brian Hoffmann
all
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back
towards the
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they
are. So
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats.
I
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
think
it was brilliant.
redpill, the only thing your analogy proves is that you are an
ignorant wad of smegma. You know nothing of History. I just wonder
what sorry sacks of garbage like you are going to do when Bush wins
re-election. Maybe you'll do the honorable thing and take a Roman
bath.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
RedPill
2003-10-15 19:42:57 UTC
Permalink
no, there are rich, crooked democrats galore. you have to look to the Lesser
of two evils. their are crooked, rich democrats as well as crooked, rich
republicans. but....there are More bad republicans than bad democrats. the
republican party is more aligned with big business, than the democratic
party. the democrats have a better tack record with labor unions/rights than
the republicans. there are no absolutes, you just have to pick the lesser of
two evils, and right now, its the democrats. in the future, it might be the
republicans. that's the nature of a two party system. hell, do the easy
thing and just always vote against incumbents. we need a third party but the
powers that be would never allow that to happen.


--redpill.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
the difference between you and I are that I know who REALLY has control of
OUR government, and you don't. you actually believe george and his rich,
business owning friends(one of which is Kenny boy ken lay)(Kenny boy is
the
Post by RedPill
nickname george calls him by, in private) care one iota about you or any
other person who works for a living. that is very naive. george, et al.
were
Post by RedPill
born into wealth and have no concept of the real world, the one the other
95% of Americans live in. you've been plugged into the matrix too long.
how
Post by RedPill
can you actually fall for the idea that these blue blood richies give a
rats ass about anything but their own families and their money. comon' I
know you are smarter than that. do you think Kenny boy and his top brass
gave a rat's ass about the other 10,000 families 401K plans??? course
not,
Post by RedPill
they were only thinking about how much money they could steal. put
yourself
Post by RedPill
in their shoes. would YOU give a rats ass about paying taxes, or equal
representation in our government if you had a hundred million stashed
away??? no, unless you are that rare individual who can look and see the
whole picture and realize that if the government does what's best for ALL
citizens, then ALL citizens, including the Rich, will do better IN THE
LONG
Post by RedPill
RUN. think and do some reading for a change and stop watching corporate
sponsored CNN and FOXhole news et al.
www.inequality.org
www.epinet.org
www.mediawatch.org
--redpill.
But now Terry Mcaulliff, chairman of the DNC, (the RICH Democrat who hooked
em with 8 million of Global Crossing stockholders bucks) is your hero
right?
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
like i said, the pendulum always swings back. that's the nature of our
representative democracy. the odds/history are against bush because of
this fact. just as when the pendulum swings left, then things
eventually
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
start going right again, towards center. i know you don't want to hear
it
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
but i'm only preparing you for the inevitable. the BEST thing that
could
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
happen to george would be another big terrorist attack, because then
the
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
fear would come back, and the right would have a better chance of
keeping
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
their knobby little grubby fingers on the reigns of power.
And does the left now want their grubby fingers around those reigns?
see, fear
Post by Redpill
sells.
And what is it that the liberal Dems are doing???
Selling fear.
Kinda like, saying we are headed for really bad times unless you elect
me
Post by RedPill
as
Post by Brian Hoffmann
your next president?
Would that be the same fear selling to which you refer?
Post by Redpill
it makes people do/think things they would not ordinarily think/do.
Exactly, and you've bought it hook, line and sinker redpill!
Post by Redpill
mark my words, unless this country gets another major attack close to
the
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
election, george is out.
Don't count on it.
The pendulum is still swinging to the right.
It may come back left at some point, just not next year.
(or unless the godfather (ronnie) dies soon
Post by Redpill
before the election, whichever comes first. i know you all don't
want
Post by Bill Walker
to
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
hear this, but its the painful reality of our world.
Reality is very clear when not clouded with hate/fear from those you
wish
Post by RedPill
to
Post by Brian Hoffmann
take the reigns of power.
remember that.
Post by Redpill
---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can
argue
Post by Brian Hoffmann
all
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back
towards the
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid
they
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
are. So
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white
Democrats.
Post by RedPill
I
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
think
it was brilliant.
redpill, the only thing your analogy proves is that you are an
ignorant wad of smegma. You know nothing of History. I just wonder
what sorry sacks of garbage like you are going to do when Bush wins
re-election. Maybe you'll do the honorable thing and take a Roman
bath.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 20:08:09 UTC
Permalink
Post by RedPill
no, there are rich, crooked democrats galore. you have to look to the Lesser
of two evils. their are crooked, rich democrats as well as crooked, rich
republicans. but....there are More bad republicans than bad democrats. the
republican party is more aligned with big business, than the democratic
party. the democrats have a better tack record with labor unions/rights than
the republicans. there are no absolutes, you just have to pick the lesser of
two evils, and right now, its the democrats. in the future, it might be the
republicans. that's the nature of a two party system. hell, do the easy
thing and just always vote against incumbents. we need a third party but the
powers that be would never allow that to happen.
--redpill.
These ingenious posters don't realize that when they hear a politician
ranting against "labor", they are attacking the majority of Americans.. When
people turn against their own champions, they have lost more than they
know.. Several years ago, Ann Richards saved the GM plant in Arlington,
almost single handedly.. When Dubya ran for governor, those morons were
demonstrating and supporting Bush.. What is that ? Makes you wonder just
what the meaning of loyalty and committment is all about..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx...
Post by RedPill
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
the difference between you and I are that I know who REALLY has
control
Post by RedPill
of
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
OUR government, and you don't. you actually believe george and his rich,
business owning friends(one of which is Kenny boy ken lay)(Kenny boy is
the
Post by RedPill
nickname george calls him by, in private) care one iota about you or any
other person who works for a living. that is very naive. george, et al.
were
Post by RedPill
born into wealth and have no concept of the real world, the one the
other
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
95% of Americans live in. you've been plugged into the matrix too long.
how
Post by RedPill
can you actually fall for the idea that these blue blood richies give a
rats ass about anything but their own families and their money. comon' I
know you are smarter than that. do you think Kenny boy and his top brass
gave a rat's ass about the other 10,000 families 401K plans??? course
not,
Post by RedPill
they were only thinking about how much money they could steal. put
yourself
Post by RedPill
in their shoes. would YOU give a rats ass about paying taxes, or equal
representation in our government if you had a hundred million stashed
away??? no, unless you are that rare individual who can look and see the
whole picture and realize that if the government does what's best for
ALL
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
citizens, then ALL citizens, including the Rich, will do better IN THE
LONG
Post by RedPill
RUN. think and do some reading for a change and stop watching corporate
sponsored CNN and FOXhole news et al.
www.inequality.org
www.epinet.org
www.mediawatch.org
--redpill.
But now Terry Mcaulliff, chairman of the DNC, (the RICH Democrat who
hooked
Post by Bill Walker
em with 8 million of Global Crossing stockholders bucks) is your hero
right?
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
like i said, the pendulum always swings back. that's the nature of
our
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
representative democracy. the odds/history are against bush
because
Post by RedPill
of
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
this fact. just as when the pendulum swings left, then things
eventually
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
start going right again, towards center. i know you don't want to
hear
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
it
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
but i'm only preparing you for the inevitable. the BEST thing that
could
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
happen to george would be another big terrorist attack, because then
the
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
fear would come back, and the right would have a better chance of
keeping
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
their knobby little grubby fingers on the reigns of power.
And does the left now want their grubby fingers around those reigns?
see, fear
Post by Redpill
sells.
And what is it that the liberal Dems are doing???
Selling fear.
Kinda like, saying we are headed for really bad times unless you elect
me
Post by RedPill
as
Post by Brian Hoffmann
your next president?
Would that be the same fear selling to which you refer?
Post by Redpill
it makes people do/think things they would not ordinarily think/do.
Exactly, and you've bought it hook, line and sinker redpill!
Post by Redpill
mark my words, unless this country gets another major attack close
to
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
the
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
election, george is out.
Don't count on it.
The pendulum is still swinging to the right.
It may come back left at some point, just not next year.
(or unless the godfather (ronnie) dies soon
Post by Redpill
before the election, whichever comes first. i know you all don't
want
Post by Bill Walker
to
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
hear this, but its the painful reality of our world.
Reality is very clear when not clouded with hate/fear from those you
wish
Post by RedPill
to
Post by Brian Hoffmann
take the reigns of power.
remember that.
Post by Redpill
---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can
argue
Post by Brian Hoffmann
all
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back
towards the
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid
they
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
are. So
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white
Democrats.
Post by RedPill
I
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
think
it was brilliant.
redpill, the only thing your analogy proves is that you are an
ignorant wad of smegma. You know nothing of History. I just wonder
what sorry sacks of garbage like you are going to do when Bush
wins
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
re-election. Maybe you'll do the honorable thing and take a Roman
bath.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 20:02:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
the difference between you and I are that I know who REALLY has control of
OUR government, and you don't. you actually believe george and his rich,
business owning friends(one of which is Kenny boy ken lay)(Kenny boy is
the
Post by RedPill
nickname george calls him by, in private) care one iota about you or any
other person who works for a living. that is very naive. george, et al.
were
Post by RedPill
born into wealth and have no concept of the real world, the one the other
95% of Americans live in. you've been plugged into the matrix too long.
how
Post by RedPill
can you actually fall for the idea that these blue blood richies give a
rats ass about anything but their own families and their money. comon' I
know you are smarter than that. do you think Kenny boy and his top brass
gave a rat's ass about the other 10,000 families 401K plans??? course
not,
Post by RedPill
they were only thinking about how much money they could steal. put
yourself
Post by RedPill
in their shoes. would YOU give a rats ass about paying taxes, or equal
representation in our government if you had a hundred million stashed
away??? no, unless you are that rare individual who can look and see the
whole picture and realize that if the government does what's best for ALL
citizens, then ALL citizens, including the Rich, will do better IN THE
LONG
Post by RedPill
RUN. think and do some reading for a change and stop watching corporate
sponsored CNN and FOXhole news et al.
www.inequality.org
www.epinet.org
www.mediawatch.org
--redpill.
But now Terry Mcaulliff, chairman of the DNC, (the RICH Democrat who hooked
em with 8 million of Global Crossing stockholders bucks) is your hero
right?
See there... Ol' Terry sure makes a more credible "hero" than Karl Rove..
Got him hooked into Global Crossing, now... huh ?? Why aren't you in Iraq
with our other troops, "GI Joe".. ?? Your support for the man and his
administration that is cutting the budget and benefits for our military and
their dependents is admirable.. Guess that says it all right there, far as
your alias goes.. Which VA hospital are you in favor of closing next ?? Got
an answer for any of that ??

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
like i said, the pendulum always swings back. that's the nature of our
representative democracy. the odds/history are against bush because of
this fact. just as when the pendulum swings left, then things
eventually
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
start going right again, towards center. i know you don't want to hear
it
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
but i'm only preparing you for the inevitable. the BEST thing that
could
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
happen to george would be another big terrorist attack, because then
the
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
fear would come back, and the right would have a better chance of
keeping
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
their knobby little grubby fingers on the reigns of power.
And does the left now want their grubby fingers around those reigns?
see, fear
Post by Redpill
sells.
And what is it that the liberal Dems are doing???
Selling fear.
Kinda like, saying we are headed for really bad times unless you elect
me
Post by RedPill
as
Post by Brian Hoffmann
your next president?
Would that be the same fear selling to which you refer?
Post by Redpill
it makes people do/think things they would not ordinarily think/do.
Exactly, and you've bought it hook, line and sinker redpill!
Post by Redpill
mark my words, unless this country gets another major attack close to
the
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
election, george is out.
Don't count on it.
The pendulum is still swinging to the right.
It may come back left at some point, just not next year.
(or unless the godfather (ronnie) dies soon
Post by Redpill
before the election, whichever comes first. i know you all don't
want
Post by Bill Walker
to
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
hear this, but its the painful reality of our world.
Reality is very clear when not clouded with hate/fear from those you
wish
Post by RedPill
to
Post by Brian Hoffmann
take the reigns of power.
remember that.
Post by Redpill
---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can
argue
Post by Brian Hoffmann
all
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back
towards the
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid
they
Post by RedPill
Post by Brian Hoffmann
are. So
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white
Democrats.
Post by RedPill
I
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
think
it was brilliant.
redpill, the only thing your analogy proves is that you are an
ignorant wad of smegma. You know nothing of History. I just wonder
what sorry sacks of garbage like you are going to do when Bush wins
re-election. Maybe you'll do the honorable thing and take a Roman
bath.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Brian Hoffmann
2003-10-15 20:03:05 UTC
Permalink
Post by RedPill
the difference between you and I are that I know who REALLY has control of
OUR government, and you don't. you actually believe george and his rich,
business owning friends(one of which is Kenny boy ken lay)(Kenny boy is the
nickname george calls him by, in private) care one iota about you or any
other person who works for a living.
Do you Honestly think that democrats in power have your "care" in mind?
All they care about is power, they will tell you any damn thing they can to
make you think they
care, but in reality they don't, not many politicians do.
Oh and by the way, Who are the richest politicians in government right now.
Most are.. you guessed it Democrats. They could give a rats ass about you.
they want their power back, that is all, all they care about is making sure
you think they are helping you.
All along telling how stupid you are, how you cannot do a damn thing unless
they help you,
or do it for you.


that is very naive.

read above. talk about being naive


george, et al. were
Post by RedPill
born into wealth and have no concept of the real world, the one the other
95% of Americans live in. you've been plugged into the matrix too long.
You wanna talk Matrix...
Look at what the democrats do in order to keep their "constiuents" believing
that
they are working for them.


how
Post by RedPill
can you actually fall for the idea that these blue blood richies give a
rats ass about anything but their own families and their money.
You are a perfect example of an individual that has a serious case of class
envy.


comon' I
Post by RedPill
know you are smarter than that. do you think Kenny boy and his top brass
gave a rat's ass about the other 10,000 families 401K plans???
Apparently the people (who lost money) at Enron had not clue # 1 on how to
manage a 401K
that's easy stuff, they did screw a lot of people, (my pop lost 300K) and
the deferred
pension they owed him (4600$ per month)... He blamed them, but he also
blamed himself for foolishly
relying on a single investment type to carry this part of his retirement
money, At least he had other assets
that he can now rely on. he gambled on it and he lost.


course not,
Post by RedPill
they were only thinking about how much money they could steal. put yourself
in their shoes. would YOU give a rats ass about paying taxes, or equal
representation in our government if you had a hundred million stashed
away???
No I would know that the top 5% pay more than half of the taxes in this
country.
so thinking that the rich are not carrying their fair share is ludicrous at
best
and class envy at worst.

I'm not rich, nor is my family. so this does not come from one side or the
other.
I understand simple fairness.
the redistribution is not fair, by any stretch of the imagination.
you want that, go live somewhere that does.

We will no longer be America if we follow that line of thinking.

no, unless you are that rare individual who can look and see the
Post by RedPill
whole picture and realize that if the government does what's best for ALL
citizens, then ALL citizens, including the Rich, will do better IN THE LONG
RUN. think and do some reading for a change and stop watching corporate
sponsored CNN and FOXhole news et al.
www.inequality.org
www.epinet.org
www.mediawatch.org
So you spout these left leaning sites as the be all end all of your info?

You are not about what's best for everyone, you are about redistribution of
wealth
that my friend is not in everyones best interest.

Who funds these organizations Redpill?
Let me guess... Liberal democrat supporters.

we want balance Redpill, just becasue it has org on the end of the url does
not mean
they do not have an agenda. It just means they are non-profit, and just
becasue they are non-profit
does not mean they do not have an aggressive agenda.
Post by RedPill
--redpill.
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
like i said, the pendulum always swings back. that's the nature of our
representative democracy. the odds/history are against bush because of
this fact. just as when the pendulum swings left, then things eventually
start going right again, towards center. i know you don't want to hear
it
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
but i'm only preparing you for the inevitable. the BEST thing that could
happen to george would be another big terrorist attack, because then the
fear would come back, and the right would have a better chance of
keeping
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
their knobby little grubby fingers on the reigns of power.
And does the left now want their grubby fingers around those reigns?
see, fear
Post by Redpill
sells.
And what is it that the liberal Dems are doing???
Selling fear.
Kinda like, saying we are headed for really bad times unless you elect
me
Post by RedPill
as
Post by Brian Hoffmann
your next president?
Would that be the same fear selling to which you refer?
Post by Redpill
it makes people do/think things they would not ordinarily think/do.
Exactly, and you've bought it hook, line and sinker redpill!
Post by Redpill
mark my words, unless this country gets another major attack close to
the
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
election, george is out.
Don't count on it.
The pendulum is still swinging to the right.
It may come back left at some point, just not next year.
(or unless the godfather (ronnie) dies soon
Post by Redpill
before the election, whichever comes first. i know you all don't want to
hear this, but its the painful reality of our world.
Reality is very clear when not clouded with hate/fear from those you
wish
Post by RedPill
to
Post by Brian Hoffmann
take the reigns of power.
remember that.
Post by Redpill
---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and adolf thought smoking Jews in ovens was brilliant too. we can
argue
Post by Brian Hoffmann
all
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
night but history is on my side and the pendulum will swing back
towards the
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
center and bush will be on his ear next November. sleep well.
Post by scott
You see the left is always telling the Republicans how stupid they
are. So
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
stupid us "Republicans" go after the moderate and white Democrats.
I
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
Post by scott
think
it was brilliant.
redpill, the only thing your analogy proves is that you are an
ignorant wad of smegma. You know nothing of History. I just wonder
what sorry sacks of garbage like you are going to do when Bush wins
re-election. Maybe you'll do the honorable thing and take a Roman
bath.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 20:40:03 UTC
Permalink
"Brian Hoffmann" <***@io.com> wrote in message news:bmk9hc$19oe$***@galaxy.us.dell.com...

You and I exchanged a few e-mails recently and I got the impression that
you, at least, were open minded and hoped to gain insight.. In this last
response to "Red Pill", you have finally shown colors more to the norm..
(far right conservative).. Any criticism of Bush and his administration is
"not good for the country".. You can take that kind of language and stuff
it.. The kind of garbage you have bought into is exactly why our Nation is
under the perpetual crisis that we have been enduring since this moron took
office (notice.. "not elected").. Your way of thinking has created suffering
and hardship for many of "your" fellow americans.. Disaster for many, as
well.. But... that is ok, Brian Hoffman.. my goal, as well as the goals of
many, is to defeat your brand of logic at the polls in 2004.. The only
problem is, that people who think like you may not have the opportunity
afforded by these maniacs to receive a body bag, or to experience the trauma
of losing your home or other assets because of the abortion of the economy
we suffer.

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Brian Hoffmann
2003-10-16 11:01:24 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Walker
You and I exchanged a few e-mails recently and I got the impression that
you, at least, were open minded and hoped to gain insight..
I am open minded Bill, It would seem that our disagreement on issues that
face this country
are quite different, I do in fact listen and read about what others think.
And because I am open minded, yet still disagree with you and Redpill
somehow
that makes me someone that has no insight?
It just so happens that I do not agree with your line of thinking, so I
guess that makes
me not good for the country either, does it?
I guess if someone was "open minded" they would agree with you, is that
right?
And if they don't than there is no possibility that theycould be, and still
disagree.

Well my friend you can take your condescending attitude and "stuff it" as
you say.



In this last
Post by Bill Walker
response to "Red Pill", you have finally shown colors more to the norm..
(far right conservative).. Any criticism of Bush and his administration is
"not good for the country".. You can take that kind of language and stuff
it.. The kind of garbage you have bought into is exactly why our Nation is
under the perpetual crisis that we have been enduring since this moron took
office (notice.. "not elected")..
He was elected, your assertions are BS and motivated in your dissagreement
with how the election went. My impression of you is no different than you
have of me Bill,
You just happen to be on the other side of the issues.
You seem to just cast aside opinions that others who disagree with you as
being somehow ignorant.
Which is ignorance in and of itself.
I see Redpills posts and all I can think of is that he is regurgitating the
party line
Same as you, so if you want to label me such, be prepared to be labeled in
the same way.
as that is all you seem to do as well, except for the DNC side of things I
guess we are not much different.


Your way of thinking has created suffering
Post by Bill Walker
and hardship for many of "your" fellow americans..
In what way Bill? honestly?


Disaster for many, as
Post by Bill Walker
well.. But... that is ok, Brian Hoffman.. my goal, as well as the goals of
many, is to defeat your brand of logic at the polls in 2004..
Your goal is failing, people are finally waking up to realize that your
"brand" of thinking is what got us into what you think is a pretty sorry
state of affairs.

The only
Post by Bill Walker
problem is, that people who think like you may not have the opportunity
afforded by these maniacs to receive a body bag, or to experience the trauma
of losing your home or other assets because of the abortion of the economy
we suffer.
The abortion of the economy we suffer was happening long before
the current admin took office. you know it, yet are using this excuse
as a way to attack the current admin. It's petty and not based in truth.

I am no different than anyone else, I could lose it all in a matter of
moments.
But I won't sit around and cast blame, because that is not going to make it
any better.
I will however, work my ass off to turn the situation around and not depend
on the governemt
to take care of me or my family.
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Bill Walker
2003-10-16 12:04:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Bill Walker
You and I exchanged a few e-mails recently and I got the impression that
you, at least, were open minded and hoped to gain insight..
I am open minded Bill, It would seem that our disagreement on issues that
face this country
are quite different, I do in fact listen and read about what others think.
And because I am open minded, yet still disagree with you and Redpill
somehow
that makes me someone that has no insight?
It just so happens that I do not agree with your line of thinking, so I
guess that makes
me not good for the country either, does it?
I guess if someone was "open minded" they would agree with you, is that
right?
And if they don't than there is no possibility that theycould be, and still
disagree.
Well my friend you can take your condescending attitude and "stuff it" as
you say.
In this last
Post by Bill Walker
response to "Red Pill", you have finally shown colors more to the norm..
(far right conservative).. Any criticism of Bush and his administration is
"not good for the country".. You can take that kind of language and stuff
it.. The kind of garbage you have bought into is exactly why our Nation is
under the perpetual crisis that we have been enduring since this moron
took
Post by Bill Walker
office (notice.. "not elected")..
He was elected, your assertions are BS and motivated in your dissagreement
with how the election went. My impression of you is no different than you
have of me Bill,
You just happen to be on the other side of the issues.
You seem to just cast aside opinions that others who disagree with you as
being somehow ignorant.
Which is ignorance in and of itself.
I see Redpills posts and all I can think of is that he is regurgitating the
party line
Same as you, so if you want to label me such, be prepared to be labeled in
the same way.
as that is all you seem to do as well, except for the DNC side of things I
guess we are not much different.
Your way of thinking has created suffering
Post by Bill Walker
and hardship for many of "your" fellow americans..
In what way Bill? honestly?
Disaster for many, as
Post by Bill Walker
well.. But... that is ok, Brian Hoffman.. my goal, as well as the goals of
many, is to defeat your brand of logic at the polls in 2004..
Your goal is failing, people are finally waking up to realize that your
"brand" of thinking is what got us into what you think is a pretty sorry
state of affairs.
The only
Post by Bill Walker
problem is, that people who think like you may not have the opportunity
afforded by these maniacs to receive a body bag, or to experience the
trauma
Post by Bill Walker
of losing your home or other assets because of the abortion of the economy
we suffer.
The abortion of the economy we suffer was happening long before
the current admin took office. you know it, yet are using this excuse
as a way to attack the current admin. It's petty and not based in truth.
I am no different than anyone else, I could lose it all in a matter of
moments.
But I won't sit around and cast blame, because that is not going to make it
any better.
I will however, work my ass off to turn the situation around and not depend
on the governemt
to take care of me or my family.
Sounds very impressive Brian.. Your support for this president, his
administration and their policies also deny all that you claim to stand
for.. Truth, honesty, integrity, etc..This president gained office, all the
while lying about his background, his character, his accomplishments and his
goals and intents for our Nation.. He is a liar, with a criminal record, a
business failure and his rhetoric isn't even his own.. The vice president is
even worse, with the exception of his criminal history (so far as I know he
has never been arrested for anything).. When this corrupt bunch of corporate
bandits stole our government control, Democracy, as we know it, has become a
mockery to the citizens of our country and the world.. Cast your vote in
2004.. I believe, you will find that the majority in this country have
become enlightened to the hypocrisy of this gang, and they will be turned
out of office..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Brian Hoffmann
2003-10-16 13:00:56 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Walker
Sounds very impressive Brian.. Your support for this president, his
administration and their policies also deny all that you claim to stand
for.. Truth, honesty, integrity,
And the DNC is different in what way Bill?

As far as lying to the public, that is your opinion, an opinion that, to me
at least,
is not based on anything other than heresay and partisanship.
I won't go into the lying that a previous DNC admin took part in (that's
provable)
as that would not solve anything.


etc..This president gained office, all the
Post by Bill Walker
while lying about his background, his character, his accomplishments and his
goals and intents for our Nation He is a liar, with a criminal record, a
business failure and his rhetoric isn't even his own..
More opinion, than truth here. you see, I want truth, not partisan rhetoric.
You are not open minded Bill, you made it up long before the man ever took
office,
and are not willing to even give anyone a chance. You are still riding the
false high
you got from the previous admin. I guess you believed that he never inhaled,
or served his country proudly in the armed services.
I gave WJC a chance (I actually voted for him the 1st time) I made a
mistake.
But I gave it a chance. so before you tell me that I am towing the party
line.
the party line pushed me away. I finally understood what he and his policies
were about,
and I wanted no part of it. I wanted what I thought was best for the
country.
This country has been turned into a bunch of whiny pussies not willing to
accept
personal responsibility for anything, talk about democracy being erroded.
A perfect example was when the DNC lost it's majority in the Senate and
Congress.
they did not buck up and put their nose to the grindstone, they blamed
everyone but themselves
for their own meltdown, And they still do not have clue#1 as to what to do.
flailing in the breeze,
telling everyone exaclty what they think they want to hear, and telling
anyone that disagrees, they are an idiot.
The country has had enough, and it is showing.
This time I voted the correct way because the previous admin had so badly
screwed this country up
that we needed a different voice, that voice (lesser of two evils) seems to
me to be the correct one
IMHO.
I will vote the same again.


The vice president is
Post by Bill Walker
even worse, with the exception of his criminal history (so far as I know he
has never been arrested for anything).. When this corrupt bunch of corporate
bandits stole our government control, Democracy, as we know it, has become a
mockery to the citizens of our country and the world.. Cast your vote in
2004.. I believe, you will find that the majority in this country have
become enlightened to the hypocrisy of this gang, and they will be turned
out of office..
Anything like the hypocracy of the previous gang Bill?
You actully think that any of the current crop of DNC hopefuls has a
snowballs chance in hell. good luck Bill
By next year, our economy will have rebounded even father than it has to
this point.
So that excuse will be out the window. what will it be next year Bill, what
is the DNC gonna hitch
their wagaon to when that excuse evaporates?
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Bill Walker
2003-10-16 14:22:49 UTC
Permalink
Top post because this one doesn't merit the trouble to respond by item..

Ah well.. like I said before.. your true colors are evident.. You got what
you voted for and I don't understand what your problem is.. I have
repeatedly pointed out the lies of this clown, from the campaign promises he
made to the present day.. They have been constant and continuous, not in my
"opinion" but, publicly, blatantly and obviously.. Harping on the sins of
however many previous presidents who have held office will not erase or
alleviate the harm and damage this idiot has perpetrated on our country..
Promises made for improving and enhancing the quality of life of our people
are as meaningless now as they were when he was lying to us during his
campaign.. Face it, George W. Bush stands NO chance of re-election.. I only
hope that him and his corrupt administration will be accountable for the
damage to us all and to the world...

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Bill Walker
Sounds very impressive Brian.. Your support for this president, his
administration and their policies also deny all that you claim to stand
for.. Truth, honesty, integrity,
And the DNC is different in what way Bill?
As far as lying to the public, that is your opinion, an opinion that, to me
at least,
is not based on anything other than heresay and partisanship.
I won't go into the lying that a previous DNC admin took part in (that's
provable)
as that would not solve anything.
etc..This president gained office, all the
Post by Bill Walker
while lying about his background, his character, his accomplishments and
his
Post by Bill Walker
goals and intents for our Nation He is a liar, with a criminal record, a
business failure and his rhetoric isn't even his own..
More opinion, than truth here. you see, I want truth, not partisan rhetoric.
You are not open minded Bill, you made it up long before the man ever took
office,
and are not willing to even give anyone a chance. You are still riding the
false high
you got from the previous admin. I guess you believed that he never inhaled,
or served his country proudly in the armed services.
I gave WJC a chance (I actually voted for him the 1st time) I made a
mistake.
But I gave it a chance. so before you tell me that I am towing the party
line.
the party line pushed me away. I finally understood what he and his policies
were about,
and I wanted no part of it. I wanted what I thought was best for the
country.
This country has been turned into a bunch of whiny pussies not willing to
accept
personal responsibility for anything, talk about democracy being erroded.
A perfect example was when the DNC lost it's majority in the Senate and
Congress.
they did not buck up and put their nose to the grindstone, they blamed
everyone but themselves
for their own meltdown, And they still do not have clue#1 as to what to do.
flailing in the breeze,
telling everyone exaclty what they think they want to hear, and telling
anyone that disagrees, they are an idiot.
The country has had enough, and it is showing.
This time I voted the correct way because the previous admin had so badly
screwed this country up
that we needed a different voice, that voice (lesser of two evils) seems to
me to be the correct one
IMHO.
I will vote the same again.
The vice president is
Post by Bill Walker
even worse, with the exception of his criminal history (so far as I know
he
Post by Bill Walker
has never been arrested for anything).. When this corrupt bunch of
corporate
Post by Bill Walker
bandits stole our government control, Democracy, as we know it, has
become
Post by Brian Hoffmann
a
Post by Bill Walker
mockery to the citizens of our country and the world.. Cast your vote in
2004.. I believe, you will find that the majority in this country have
become enlightened to the hypocrisy of this gang, and they will be turned
out of office..
Anything like the hypocracy of the previous gang Bill?
You actully think that any of the current crop of DNC hopefuls has a
snowballs chance in hell. good luck Bill
By next year, our economy will have rebounded even father than it has to
this point.
So that excuse will be out the window. what will it be next year Bill, what
is the DNC gonna hitch
their wagaon to when that excuse evaporates?
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Redpill
2003-10-16 14:42:23 UTC
Permalink
those bush lovers are going to have to face the music eventually. bush is
blue blood and his only concern is he and his buddies businesses and
making money. that's the bottom line. he never lived in the 'real world'
and he never had to go out and work to pay the bills. that's the bottom
line, and those bush lovers will figure it out sooner or later. the truth
always comes out, just takes time.


--redpill.
Post by Bill Walker
Top post because this one doesn't merit the trouble to respond by item..
Ah well.. like I said before.. your true colors are evident.. You got what
you voted for and I don't understand what your problem is.. I have
repeatedly pointed out the lies of this clown, from the campaign promises he
made to the present day.. They have been constant and continuous, not in my
"opinion" but, publicly, blatantly and obviously.. Harping on the sins of
however many previous presidents who have held office will not erase or
alleviate the harm and damage this idiot has perpetrated on our country..
Promises made for improving and enhancing the quality of life of our people
are as meaningless now as they were when he was lying to us during his
campaign.. Face it, George W. Bush stands NO chance of re-election.. I only
hope that him and his corrupt administration will be accountable for the
damage to us all and to the world...
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Bill Walker
Sounds very impressive Brian.. Your support for this president, his
administration and their policies also deny all that you claim to stand
for.. Truth, honesty, integrity,
And the DNC is different in what way Bill?
As far as lying to the public, that is your opinion, an opinion that, to
me
Post by Brian Hoffmann
at least,
is not based on anything other than heresay and partisanship.
I won't go into the lying that a previous DNC admin took part in (that's
provable)
as that would not solve anything.
etc..This president gained office, all the
Post by Bill Walker
while lying about his background, his character, his accomplishments and
his
Post by Bill Walker
goals and intents for our Nation He is a liar, with a criminal record, a
business failure and his rhetoric isn't even his own..
More opinion, than truth here. you see, I want truth, not partisan
rhetoric.
Post by Brian Hoffmann
You are not open minded Bill, you made it up long before the man ever took
office,
and are not willing to even give anyone a chance. You are still riding the
false high
you got from the previous admin. I guess you believed that he never
inhaled,
Post by Brian Hoffmann
or served his country proudly in the armed services.
I gave WJC a chance (I actually voted for him the 1st time) I made a
mistake.
But I gave it a chance. so before you tell me that I am towing the party
line.
the party line pushed me away. I finally understood what he and his
policies
Post by Brian Hoffmann
were about,
and I wanted no part of it. I wanted what I thought was best for the
country.
This country has been turned into a bunch of whiny pussies not willing to
accept
personal responsibility for anything, talk about democracy being erroded.
A perfect example was when the DNC lost it's majority in the Senate and
Congress.
they did not buck up and put their nose to the grindstone, they blamed
everyone but themselves
for their own meltdown, And they still do not have clue#1 as to what to
do.
Post by Brian Hoffmann
flailing in the breeze,
telling everyone exaclty what they think they want to hear, and telling
anyone that disagrees, they are an idiot.
The country has had enough, and it is showing.
This time I voted the correct way because the previous admin had so badly
screwed this country up
that we needed a different voice, that voice (lesser of two evils) seems
to
Post by Brian Hoffmann
me to be the correct one
IMHO.
I will vote the same again.
The vice president is
Post by Bill Walker
even worse, with the exception of his criminal history (so far as I know
he
Post by Bill Walker
has never been arrested for anything).. When this corrupt bunch of
corporate
Post by Bill Walker
bandits stole our government control, Democracy, as we know it, has
become
Post by Brian Hoffmann
a
Post by Bill Walker
mockery to the citizens of our country and the world.. Cast your vote in
2004.. I believe, you will find that the majority in this country have
become enlightened to the hypocrisy of this gang, and they will be
turned
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Bill Walker
out of office..
Anything like the hypocracy of the previous gang Bill?
You actully think that any of the current crop of DNC hopefuls has a
snowballs chance in hell. good luck Bill
By next year, our economy will have rebounded even father than it has to
this point.
So that excuse will be out the window. what will it be next year Bill,
what
Post by Brian Hoffmann
is the DNC gonna hitch
their wagaon to when that excuse evaporates?
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Brian Hoffmann
2003-10-16 16:18:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Redpill
those bush lovers are going to have to face the music eventually. bush is
blue blood and his only concern is he and his buddies businesses and
making money. that's the bottom line. he never lived in the 'real world'
and he never had to go out and work to pay the bills. that's the bottom
line, and those bush lovers will figure it out sooner or later. the truth
always comes out, just takes time.
When you finaly get over your class envy problem, then we can talk.
otherwise, spitting out the same blueblood BS will never get you anywhere.
RedPill
2003-10-16 16:33:49 UTC
Permalink
class envy???? yea, you could say I'm envious of a group of wealthy business
owners who tell my government what to do and which laws to pass. yes, that
would be fair to call me envious. I'm also envious of people who live in a
country where the government represents ALL its citizens, not just special
interest groups(big business and the rich)
you are one deep individual. watch alot of TV, do you??????


---redpill.
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
those bush lovers are going to have to face the music eventually. bush is
blue blood and his only concern is he and his buddies businesses and
making money. that's the bottom line. he never lived in the 'real world'
and he never had to go out and work to pay the bills. that's the bottom
line, and those bush lovers will figure it out sooner or later. the truth
always comes out, just takes time.
When you finaly get over your class envy problem, then we can talk.
otherwise, spitting out the same blueblood BS will never get you anywhere.
RedPill
2003-10-16 16:41:48 UTC
Permalink
so, "brain Hoffman", does THIS look like class envy to you, or did I
stutter? or did I just make it all up? you had better wake up and realize
that the world you live in has changed. get online and do some research
before you blabber about the world you Think you know. here's a glimpse of
the rabbit hole............

AND, did you know that big business and the Rich put those republicans in
their offices???? of course you did, after all, you watch corporate owned
CNN and FOXhole news, etc. let me tell you of a little "event" that
happen a year ago. it was a story posted in your very own Houston
Chronicle in the Saturday edition(the least read edition of the paper, of
course)
ever hear of the Texas 48??????????? course not, because you get your
"News" from CNN, FOXhole news.
well, the Texas REPUBLICAN party raised 64 Million bucks for their
candidates in 2002. of that 64 million, 34 MILLION was contributed by 48
Texas wealthy families.... that's right 48 families. now that means the
average donated by each family was 708,000 bucks. now let me pose a
question to all you brilliant minds out there. I I donated 708,000 bucks
to the republican party, don't you think I might want something in
return????? or am I just a nice guy??????? I DO want something, and that
is a VOICE in the Texas government so that when I want a favor, I WILL GET
IT BECAUSE I PAID FOR IT. do ya' get that, morons??????????????? does
that sink into your thick skulls??????????????? these wealthy families own
businesses and have interests to protect and favors to get from a
government that HAS NO INTEREST IN YOU, THE AVERAGE WORKER, BECAUSE YOU
CANNOT AFFORD TO BE REPRESENTED BY YOUR GOVERNMENT. make any sense
yet?????? its YOUR government, but its been hijacked by a few very rich,
patriotic pigs. and if you don't believe, this story was carried in the
HOUSTON CHRONICLE, I believe December of 2002 (Saturday edition--- so it
would not have as many readers, because, as you know, the Houston chronicle
is owned by BIG BUSINESS, the Hearst Corporation. you rednecks put that in
your pipe and smoke on it awhile.



---redpill.
Post by Brian Hoffmann
Post by Redpill
those bush lovers are going to have to face the music eventually. bush is
blue blood and his only concern is he and his buddies businesses and
making money. that's the bottom line. he never lived in the 'real world'
and he never had to go out and work to pay the bills. that's the bottom
line, and those bush lovers will figure it out sooner or later. the truth
always comes out, just takes time.
When you finaly get over your class envy problem, then we can talk.
otherwise, spitting out the same blueblood BS will never get you anywhere.
Brian Hoffmann
2003-10-16 16:15:31 UTC
Permalink
You're right about one thing, I got what I voted for.
Everything else you state is biased BS.
I guess it's just your opinion that the sins of a previous president
that handed the current one a complete mess cannot be used as a factor
in anything happening today, remember the economy was tanking before he ever
took office.
We are recovering, yet your bias only seems to reach back to the current
admin.
that mere fact is further proof that you have a bias that you can't seem to
get past.
You are just living in complete denial of everything that happend prior to
2001
Your state your opinion as if it were fact, and apparently you are convinced
of it , I'm not, and believe me I've seen it all from all sides, I choose to
beleive differently than you do
based on fact, not hyperbole and biased rhetoric.

I'm as confident GW will back as you are that he will not.
Face it, the current crop of hopefuls are about as inept as they could
possibly be.
Your only hope is 2008, and if HRC decides to run, it couls be a lot longer.
Post by Bill Walker
Top post because this one doesn't merit the trouble to respond by item..
Ah well.. like I said before.. your true colors are evident.. You got what
you voted for and I don't understand what your problem is.. I have
repeatedly pointed out the lies of this clown, from the campaign promises he
made to the present day.. They have been constant and continuous, not in my
"opinion" but, publicly, blatantly and obviously.. Harping on the sins of
however many previous presidents who have held office will not erase or
alleviate the harm and damage this idiot has perpetrated on our country..
Promises made for improving and enhancing the quality of life of our people
are as meaningless now as they were when he was lying to us during his
campaign.. Face it, George W. Bush stands NO chance of re-election.. I only
hope that him and his corrupt administration will be accountable for the
damage to us all and to the world...
Bill Walker
2003-10-14 21:07:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this may
be only the beginning.
---redpill.
The re-distriicting strategy is only the beginning.. Pay attention to Tom
DeLay.. He has promised this to all of us.. Pay attention... the voters in
this state spoke loudly and clearly.. they submitted written declarations
before the sub-committees of the Senate and the Congress.. Blatant disregard
for their constituents, republican as well as democrats was the ruling made
by the Speaker, Tom Craddick, when confronted with the stacks of
declarations opposing this attack on our democracy.. Democracy is not being
defined by Tom DeLay and Rick Perry.. It is defined in our Constitution and
our government is for the People and by the People.. The People spoke and
were ignored..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
washingtonpost.com
The Soviet Republic of Texas
Tuesday, October 14, 2003; Page A22
YOU MIGHT THINK America's rigged system of congressional elections
couldn't get much worse. Self-serving redistricting schemes nationwide
already have left an overwhelming number of seats in the House of
Representatives so uncompetitive that election results are practically
as preordained as in the old Soviet Union. In the last election, for
example, 98 percent of incumbents were reelected, and the average
winning candidate got more than 70 percent of the vote. More
candidates ran without any major-party opposition than won by a margin
of less than 20 percent. Yet even given this record, the
just-completed Texas congressional redistricting plan represents a new
low.
The plan grabbed headlines as a consequence of the flight by Democrats
-- twice -- from the state to prevent its adoption. The Democrats,
whose only hope, being in the minority in both houses, was to prevent
a quorum, eventually gave in; the legislature has adopted the plan.
It's abhorrent on two counts. Texas Republicans, egged on by U.S.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, violated a longstanding tradition by
redrawing the map in the middle of a census cycle. Their new rule
seems to be, why wait 10 years if you can cram something down your
opponents' throats today? And their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
We don't know whether the plan violates the Voting Rights Act or will
survive legal challenge. What is clear, however, is that it will
aggravate the triumph of extremes in Washington while further
sovietizing America's already-fixed electoral game.
The map Republicans have produced is a remarkable feat of
gerrymandering. The 19th District, once confined to the western side
of the state, now snakes halfway across it to scavenge voters from the
current district of Democratic Rep. Charles Stenholm. Beneath it now
sprawls the once-compact 11th District of Democratic Rep. Chet
Edwards, which has been completely redrawn to help a friend of George
W. Bush get elected to Congress. The south of the state now looks like
a pinstripe suit, with narrow districts snaking from north to south in
order to pack Hispanic-majority voters in just a few districts,
including a new one. Dallas liberal Martin Frost, meanwhile, suddenly
has a new district, 63 percent of whose voters are Republican. The
goal here is not subtle. As Republican state Rep. Phil King, who
helped draw the map, put it to the Austin American Statesman, "I would
suspect that [any Democrat] who is not in a minority district would
have a very competitive race."
The current Texas House delegation includes 17 Democrats and 15
Republicans. This balance, no doubt, is a residue of a time when
Democrats were more powerful in the state than they are today and
reflects deliberate incumbent protection by past legislatures. It
also, however, reflects the fact that some Democratic members have
effectively represented their increasingly conservative districts and
remained popular. The pernicious effect of partisan redistricting in
general is the weakening of the center with the creation of "safe"
seats for both parties -- which encourages the election of people
considerably to the left or right of the state's political center of
gravity. Do Texans really want a polarized delegation of 22
conservative Republicans and 10 liberal Democrats, as the current plan
envisions? Do they really want a state with a white party and a
minority party? Republican politicians are engineering it that way,
whatever voters may want. For redistricting -- quite the inverse of
elections -- is a process in which politicians get to choose their
voters. It is a process that a healthy democracy would seek to reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21839-2003Oct13.html
_____________________________________________________________________
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
http://votedelayout.org/
Neal Atkins
2003-10-14 21:12:23 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:07:26 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
the voters in
this state spoke loudly and clearly.. they submitted written declarations
before the sub-committees of the Senate and the Congress..
What are you whining about you idiot? The PEOPLE spoke when they
ELECTED a majority of Republicans. The few measly "declarations" of
the paid rabble that was brought in by the demoRATS to disrupt the
hearings proved nothing.
Post by Bill Walker
blah, blah, opposing this attack on our democracy.. Democracy is not being
defined by Tom DeLay and Rick Perry.. It is defined in our Constitution and
our government is for the People and by the People.. The People spoke and
were ignored..
Who's your new CONGRESSMAN going to be up there, boy?
Bill Walker
2003-10-14 21:23:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by Neal Atkins
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:07:26 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
the voters in
this state spoke loudly and clearly.. they submitted written declarations
before the sub-committees of the Senate and the Congress..
What are you whining about you idiot? The PEOPLE spoke when they
ELECTED a majority of Republicans. The few measly "declarations" of
the paid rabble that was brought in by the demoRATS to disrupt the
hearings proved nothing.
How the hell would you know anything about what was presented, you gutless
little prick.. We couldn't pry you chicken shit little ass out in public to
know what was going on...
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
blah, blah, opposing this attack on our democracy.. Democracy is not being
defined by Tom DeLay and Rick Perry.. It is defined in our Constitution and
our government is for the People and by the People.. The People spoke and
were ignored..
Who's your new CONGRESSMAN going to be up there, boy?
Why don't you tell me?? It ain't over till it's over.. Still got a case
going to the supreme court... 'sides.. you have nothing to crow about..
LOL.. Some have told me that you were hid out for a week when you learned I
was in Austin...
Neal Atkins
2003-10-14 21:45:25 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:23:48 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
the voters in
this state spoke loudly and clearly.. they submitted written declarations
before the sub-committees of the Senate and the Congress..
What are you whining about you idiot? The PEOPLE spoke when they
ELECTED a majority of Republicans. The few measly "declarations" of
the paid rabble that was brought in by the demoRATS to disrupt the
hearings proved nothing.
How the hell would you know anything about what was presented, you gutless
little prick.. We couldn't pry you chicken shit little ass out in public to
know what was going on...
I was at the riot, er, hearing in Austin, you stupid motherfucker.
That's where I live. Not Dallas and not the Valley. I saw the
"organizers" telling their paid protestors what to say and what to
write.
Post by Bill Walker
Why don't you tell me?? It ain't over till it's over.. Still got a case
going to the supreme court... 'sides.. you have nothing to crow about..
LOL.. Some have told me that you were hid out for a week when you learned I
was in Austin...
When were you in Austin? Some body give you a bus pass? Why would I
"hide" from a blubbering, fat idiot like you?
Bill Walker
2003-10-14 22:49:33 UTC
Permalink
Post by Neal Atkins
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:23:48 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
the voters in
this state spoke loudly and clearly.. they submitted written declarations
before the sub-committees of the Senate and the Congress..
What are you whining about you idiot? The PEOPLE spoke when they
ELECTED a majority of Republicans. The few measly "declarations" of
the paid rabble that was brought in by the demoRATS to disrupt the
hearings proved nothing.
How the hell would you know anything about what was presented, you gutless
little prick.. We couldn't pry you chicken shit little ass out in public to
know what was going on...
I was at the riot, er, hearing in Austin, you stupid motherfucker.
That's where I live. Not Dallas and not the Valley. I saw the
"organizers" telling their paid protestors what to say and what to
write.
You are a lying sack of shit. LOL... Wild horses couldn't drag you out in
public...
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
Why don't you tell me?? It ain't over till it's over.. Still got a case
going to the supreme court... 'sides.. you have nothing to crow about..
LOL.. Some have told me that you were hid out for a week when you learned I
was in Austin...
When were you in Austin? Some body give you a bus pass? Why would I
"hide" from a blubbering, fat idiot like you?
Because that is the way you are made, you wormy asshole.. I've been in
Austin many times over the past few months.. You are funny.. as well as a
detestable lying little prick... I love it when you squirm..
Neal Atkins
2003-10-15 00:44:45 UTC
Permalink
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:49:33 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
I was at the riot, er, hearing in Austin, you stupid motherfucker.
That's where I live. Not Dallas and not the Valley. I saw the
"organizers" telling their paid protestors what to say and what to
write.
You are a lying sack of shit. LOL... Wild horses couldn't drag you out in
public...
No, you are a lying sack of shit ass licking demoRAT. Now that we
have cleared that up.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
Why don't you tell me?? It ain't over till it's over.. Still got a case
going to the supreme court... 'sides.. you have nothing to crow about..
LOL.. Some have told me that you were hid out for a week when you learned
I
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
was in Austin...
When were you in Austin? Some body give you a bus pass? Why would I
"hide" from a blubbering, fat idiot like you?
Because that is the way you are made, you wormy asshole.. I've been in
Austin many times over the past few months.. You are funny.. as well as a
detestable lying little prick... I love it when you squirm..
Really? I think you are lying again. Do you paint your name on the
water tower when you ride that freight train into town? Or do you
notify the sex offender database when you visit?

And why should I care where you go or what you do?
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 00:46:38 UTC
Permalink
Post by Neal Atkins
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:49:33 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
I was at the riot, er, hearing in Austin, you stupid motherfucker.
That's where I live. Not Dallas and not the Valley. I saw the
"organizers" telling their paid protestors what to say and what to
write.
You are a lying sack of shit. LOL... Wild horses couldn't drag you out in
public...
No, you are a lying sack of shit ass licking demoRAT. Now that we
have cleared that up.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
Why don't you tell me?? It ain't over till it's over.. Still got a case
going to the supreme court... 'sides.. you have nothing to crow about..
LOL.. Some have told me that you were hid out for a week when you learned
I
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
was in Austin...
When were you in Austin? Some body give you a bus pass? Why would I
"hide" from a blubbering, fat idiot like you?
Because that is the way you are made, you wormy asshole.. I've been in
Austin many times over the past few months.. You are funny.. as well as a
detestable lying little prick... I love it when you squirm..
Really? I think you are lying again. Do you paint your name on the
water tower when you ride that freight train into town? Or do you
notify the sex offender database when you visit?
And why should I care where you go or what you do?
You are too funny... you detestable little creep... C'Ya..
Roger R
2003-10-15 04:40:01 UTC
Permalink
Neal, are you capable of addressing an issue instead of going ad hominum?

All I have ever seen you write is attacks on people you disagree with. You
could do that with a third grade ecucation in an underfunded inner-city
school if it had a computer for you to learn to email on. You might have
more education, but that is the greatest you have demonstrated that I have
read.

Please address the issues we are discussing and focus on the issues and not
your anger at the people who are diagreeing with you. OK?
Post by Neal Atkins
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:49:33 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
I was at the riot, er, hearing in Austin, you stupid motherfucker.
That's where I live. Not Dallas and not the Valley. I saw the
"organizers" telling their paid protestors what to say and what to
write.
You are a lying sack of shit. LOL... Wild horses couldn't drag you out in
public...
No, you are a lying sack of shit ass licking demoRAT. Now that we
have cleared that up.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
Why don't you tell me?? It ain't over till it's over.. Still got a case
going to the supreme court... 'sides.. you have nothing to crow about..
LOL.. Some have told me that you were hid out for a week when you learned
I
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
was in Austin...
When were you in Austin? Some body give you a bus pass? Why would I
"hide" from a blubbering, fat idiot like you?
Because that is the way you are made, you wormy asshole.. I've been in
Austin many times over the past few months.. You are funny.. as well as a
detestable lying little prick... I love it when you squirm..
Really? I think you are lying again. Do you paint your name on the
water tower when you ride that freight train into town? Or do you
notify the sex offender database when you visit?
And why should I care where you go or what you do?
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 11:05:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger R
Neal, are you capable of addressing an issue instead of going ad hominum?
All I have ever seen you write is attacks on people you disagree with. You
could do that with a third grade ecucation in an underfunded inner-city
school if it had a computer for you to learn to email on. You might have
more education, but that is the greatest you have demonstrated that I have
read.
Please address the issues we are discussing and focus on the issues and not
your anger at the people who are diagreeing with you. OK?
With all due respect, I will respond to your criticism of Neal Atkins.. His
obvious animosity toward opposition viewpoints goes back a long way,
especially towards me.. He and I have a pretty long history on newsgroups..
Neal has posed as various personalities in different groups.. On many
occasions, I have exposed Neal as a phoney and a blatant liar.. You see,
Neal is what I call a "wannabe".. LOL.. However, sadly, he can't measure up
due to his inability to compete.. Don't be misled by the verbose blustering
and name calling.. When challenged, Neal goes into hiding and loses himself
until he believes the pressure is off.. Far as I can tell, this is the only
group left for him to expound upon.. His animosity toward me is evidenced in
his attacks.. Maybe.. I am his best friend left.. Isn't that interesting ?

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Texan
2003-10-15 13:32:04 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Roger R
Neal, are you capable of addressing an issue instead of going ad hominum?
All I have ever seen you write is attacks on people you disagree with. You
could do that with a third grade ecucation in an underfunded inner-city
school if it had a computer for you to learn to email on. You might have
more education, but that is the greatest you have demonstrated that I have
read.
Please address the issues we are discussing and focus on the issues and
not
Post by Roger R
your anger at the people who are diagreeing with you. OK?
With all due respect, I will respond to your criticism of Neal Atkins.. His
obvious animosity toward opposition viewpoints goes back a long way,
especially towards me.. He and I have a pretty long history on newsgroups..
Neal has posed as various personalities in different groups.. On many
occasions, I have exposed Neal as a phoney and a blatant liar.. You see,
Neal is what I call a "wannabe".. LOL.. However, sadly, he can't measure up
due to his inability to compete.. Don't be misled by the verbose blustering
and name calling.. When challenged, Neal goes into hiding and loses himself
until he believes the pressure is off.. Far as I can tell, this is the only
group left for him to expound upon.. His animosity toward me is evidenced in
his attacks.. Maybe.. I am his best friend left.. Isn't that interesting ?
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
He googles nicely. Goes way back under a variety of email addresses -
***@austin.rr.com - ***@eden.com - another at
flotom.ima.infomail.com - seems like he was on zilkernet or something
once too. Seems to be pretty much a one-trick-phon...uh, pony. Guns,
guns, and more guns. Strange bird. Extreme right-wing and staunchly
pro-choice. Used to claim libertarian but consistently berated and
ridiculed them last couple of election cycles - not sure if he jumped or
was pushed, maybe he can enlighten us. A true Beamer. Some of the more
entertaining results from google include:

right-wing extremists control the Republican Party
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=391f0d6a.9506574%40news-server.austin.rr.com


on motorcycles
http://www.motorcycle-info.com/motorcycle/suzuki_motorcycle/suzuki_motorcycle_msg52623/suzuki_motorcycle_msg52623.shtml


on abortion
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3e6798c1.4000312%40news-server.austin.rr.com

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=natkins%40austin.rr.com+abortion&start=40&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=396cea0c.1809075%40news-server.austin.rr.com&rnum=49

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=391dcbd6.14844619%40news-server.austin.rr.com

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-AntiGunLobby/message/813?source=1


interesting letter re: guns and the AMA.
http://www.ourpeak.com/davisda/launches.ama


buy american, huh?
http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/dir5/starlit2.txt


what's his cut of 19.95+shipping?
http://www.skepticfiles.org/waco/linda.htm


keepin' Austin weird....
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol17/issue39/cols.postmarks.html


must be different guy with the same name..
http://www.blacklandprairie.org/b-new2-4.htm

..I mean, he couldn't really be on the guv'mint tit, could he?
http://www.wcid17.org/technical.htm

well, maybe so. Or maybe there really are two guys in Austin with the
same name and just by coincidence both of 'em are registered
shitsniffers, who knows?
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22neal+atkins%22+sanitarian&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wg



Now about that meeting at the capitol.

It opened at ~6pm. The democrats waiting there 'rioted' by asking for
the proposed redistricting map to be released. Finally, at ~8:30pm, a
map was distributed, at which time Kneal says he 'left and went home'.
The actual hearing didn't get underway till after 10pm and went on until
~5am. Kneal, by his own admission that very night on this newsgroup and
we can google that up too if he wants, WAS NOT THERE.
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 16:07:03 UTC
Permalink
Post by Texan
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Roger R
Neal, are you capable of addressing an issue instead of going ad hominum?
All I have ever seen you write is attacks on people you disagree with. You
could do that with a third grade ecucation in an underfunded inner-city
school if it had a computer for you to learn to email on. You might have
more education, but that is the greatest you have demonstrated that I have
read.
Please address the issues we are discussing and focus on the issues and
not
Post by Roger R
your anger at the people who are diagreeing with you. OK?
With all due respect, I will respond to your criticism of Neal Atkins.. His
obvious animosity toward opposition viewpoints goes back a long way,
especially towards me.. He and I have a pretty long history on newsgroups..
Neal has posed as various personalities in different groups.. On many
occasions, I have exposed Neal as a phoney and a blatant liar.. You see,
Neal is what I call a "wannabe".. LOL.. However, sadly, he can't measure up
due to his inability to compete.. Don't be misled by the verbose blustering
and name calling.. When challenged, Neal goes into hiding and loses himself
until he believes the pressure is off.. Far as I can tell, this is the only
group left for him to expound upon.. His animosity toward me is evidenced in
his attacks.. Maybe.. I am his best friend left.. Isn't that interesting ?
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
He googles nicely. Goes way back under a variety of email addresses -
flotom.ima.infomail.com - seems like he was on zilkernet or something
once too. Seems to be pretty much a one-trick-phon...uh, pony. Guns,
guns, and more guns. Strange bird. Extreme right-wing and staunchly
pro-choice. Used to claim libertarian but consistently berated and
ridiculed them last couple of election cycles - not sure if he jumped or
was pushed, maybe he can enlighten us. A true Beamer. Some of the more
right-wing extremists control the Republican Party
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=391f0d6a.9506574%40n
ews-server.austin.rr.com
Post by Texan
on motorcycles
http://www.motorcycle-info.com/motorcycle/suzuki_motorcycle/suzuki_motorcycl
e_msg52623/suzuki_motorcycle_msg52623.shtml
Post by Texan
on abortion
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=3e6798c1.4000312%40n
ews-server.austin.rr.com
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=natkins%40austin.rr.com+abortion&start=40&
hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&selm=396cea0c.1809075%40news-server.austin.rr.c
om&rnum=49
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=391dcbd6.14844619%40
news-server.austin.rr.com
Post by Texan
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Anti-AntiGunLobby/message/813?source=1
interesting letter re: guns and the AMA.
http://www.ourpeak.com/davisda/launches.ama
buy american, huh?
http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/dir5/starlit2.txt
what's his cut of 19.95+shipping?
http://www.skepticfiles.org/waco/linda.htm
keepin' Austin weird....
http://www.austinchronicle.com/issues/vol17/issue39/cols.postmarks.html
must be different guy with the same name..
http://www.blacklandprairie.org/b-new2-4.htm
..I mean, he couldn't really be on the guv'mint tit, could he?
http://www.wcid17.org/technical.htm
well, maybe so. Or maybe there really are two guys in Austin with the
same name and just by coincidence both of 'em are registered
shitsniffers, who knows?
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22neal+atkins%22+sanitarian&hl=en&lr=&ie=
UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wg
Post by Texan
Now about that meeting at the capitol.
It opened at ~6pm. The democrats waiting there 'rioted' by asking for
the proposed redistricting map to be released. Finally, at ~8:30pm, a
map was distributed, at which time Kneal says he 'left and went home'.
The actual hearing didn't get underway till after 10pm and went on until
~5am. Kneal, by his own admission that very night on this newsgroup and
we can google that up too if he wants, WAS NOT THERE.
ROTFL... Thank you, sir.. he's quite a character, indeed.. You have expended
more effort on this clown than I would have done.. Couple of "tidbits" I
don't see, is that he is also slightly dangerous and has a habit of calling
ISP's (or threatening to do so) when his insults are challenged.. My first
experience with him was on tx.motorcycles and I challenged him as to whether
he even owned or rode a motorcycle.. As it turns out, most of us who
habitually post there, determined that he does NOT.. His claims to be
politically active are just as suspect, since he has been caught in several
lies of affiliating with the parties and participating with them.. Quite
typical of Neal Atkins is his cowardly and bullying posturing .. Thanks for
the update on a genuine Phony..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx...
GI Joe
2003-10-15 13:56:08 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Roger R
Neal, are you capable of addressing an issue instead of going ad hominum?
All I have ever seen you write is attacks on people you disagree with. You
could do that with a third grade ecucation in an underfunded inner-city
school if it had a computer for you to learn to email on. You might have
more education, but that is the greatest you have demonstrated that I have
read.
Please address the issues we are discussing and focus on the issues and
not
Post by Roger R
your anger at the people who are diagreeing with you. OK?
With all due respect, I will respond to your criticism of Neal Atkins.. His
obvious animosity toward opposition viewpoints goes back a long way,
especially towards me.. He and I have a pretty long history on
newsgroups..
Post by Bill Walker
Neal has posed as various personalities in different groups.. On many
occasions, I have exposed Neal as a phoney and a blatant liar.. You see,
Neal is what I call a "wannabe".. LOL.. However, sadly, he can't measure up
due to his inability to compete.. Don't be misled by the verbose blustering
and name calling.. When challenged, Neal goes into hiding and loses himself
until he believes the pressure is off.. Far as I can tell, this is the only
group left for him to expound upon.. His animosity toward me is evidenced in
his attacks.. Maybe.. I am his best friend left.. Isn't that interesting ?
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
And Bill Walker never attacks people who disagree with his lefist/socialist
opinions?

Give us a break!
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 16:09:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Roger R
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Roger R
Neal, are you capable of addressing an issue instead of going ad
hominum?
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Roger R
All I have ever seen you write is attacks on people you disagree with.
You
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Roger R
could do that with a third grade ecucation in an underfunded inner-city
school if it had a computer for you to learn to email on. You might have
more education, but that is the greatest you have demonstrated that I
have
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Roger R
read.
Please address the issues we are discussing and focus on the issues and
not
Post by Roger R
your anger at the people who are diagreeing with you. OK?
With all due respect, I will respond to your criticism of Neal Atkins..
His
Post by Bill Walker
obvious animosity toward opposition viewpoints goes back a long way,
especially towards me.. He and I have a pretty long history on
newsgroups..
Post by Bill Walker
Neal has posed as various personalities in different groups.. On many
occasions, I have exposed Neal as a phoney and a blatant liar.. You see,
Neal is what I call a "wannabe".. LOL.. However, sadly, he can't measure
up
Post by Bill Walker
due to his inability to compete.. Don't be misled by the verbose
blustering
Post by Bill Walker
and name calling.. When challenged, Neal goes into hiding and loses
himself
Post by Bill Walker
until he believes the pressure is off.. Far as I can tell, this is the
only
Post by Bill Walker
group left for him to expound upon.. His animosity toward me is
evidenced
Post by Roger R
in
Post by Bill Walker
his attacks.. Maybe.. I am his best friend left.. Isn't that
interesting
Post by Roger R
?
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
And Bill Walker never attacks people who disagree with his
lefist/socialist
Post by Roger R
opinions?
Give us a break!
I respond in kind and I am neither "leftist nor socialist".. You've got your
break and I question if you really know what either "leftist or socialist"
is... How's that "GI Joe"
Neal Atkins
2003-10-15 17:33:04 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:05:59 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
On many
occasions, I have exposed Neal as a phoney and a blatant liar..
Oh yah. You have yet to expose me as a "phoney", fool.
Post by Bill Walker
Maybe.. I am his best friend left.. Isn't that interesting ?
As if you had any friends.
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 17:57:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Neal Atkins
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 11:05:59 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
On many
occasions, I have exposed Neal as a phoney and a blatant liar..
Oh yah. You have yet to expose me as a "phoney", fool.
hahahahahaha... There you go...Put up or shut up .. Neal..
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
Maybe.. I am his best friend left.. Isn't that interesting ?
As if you had any friends.
Ain't it a bitch.. what else ya wanna do...
Neal Atkins
2003-10-15 18:01:06 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:57:36 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
On many
occasions, I have exposed Neal as a phoney and a blatant liar..
Oh yah. You have yet to expose me as a "phoney", fool.
hahahahahaha... There you go...Put up or shut up .. Neal..
What are you talking about?
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 18:29:26 UTC
Permalink
Post by Neal Atkins
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 17:57:36 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
On many
occasions, I have exposed Neal as a phoney and a blatant liar..
Oh yah. You have yet to expose me as a "phoney", fool.
hahahahahaha... There you go...Put up or shut up .. Neal..
What are you talking about?
Not a phony, huh ??.. Yeah ... you are.. Dispute, if you can.. All hat and
no cattle.. LMAO..Where's the beef, you little counterfeit, wormy asshole ??
Neal Atkins
2003-10-15 17:25:54 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:40:01 GMT, "Roger R"
Post by Roger R
Neal, are you capable of addressing an issue instead of going ad hominum?
All I have ever seen you write is attacks on people you disagree with. You
could do that with a third grade ecucation in an underfunded inner-city
school if it had a computer for you to learn to email on. You might have
more education, but that is the greatest you have demonstrated that I have
read.
Please address the issues we are discussing and focus on the issues and not
your anger at the people who are diagreeing with you. OK?
OK, top posting moron, are these the "issues" you are talking about?
Post by Roger R
Post by Neal Atkins
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 22:49:33 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
You are a lying sack of shit. LOL... Wild horses couldn't drag you out in
public...
Because that is the way you are made, you wormy asshole.. I've been in
Austin many times over the past few months.. You are funny.. as well as
a
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
detestable lying little prick... I love it when you squirm..
Redpill
2003-10-15 15:31:02 UTC
Permalink
my,my, you right wing little nazi conservative bible thumping morons love
to curse, don't you? see, the secret to cussing is to use it sparingly
and with effect. if you use it too much, it no longer has a effect, and
readers begin to think you have a very limited vocabulary, shit-for-brains.

---redpill (see, there was only 1 poorly chosen word(shit----)
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:07:26 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
the voters in
this state spoke loudly and clearly.. they submitted written declarations
before the sub-committees of the Senate and the Congress..
What are you whining about you idiot? The PEOPLE spoke when they
ELECTED a majority of Republicans. The few measly "declarations" of
the paid rabble that was brought in by the demoRATS to disrupt the
hearings proved nothing.
How the hell would you know anything about what was presented, you gutless
little prick.. We couldn't pry you chicken shit little ass out in public to
know what was going on...
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
blah, blah, opposing this attack on our democracy.. Democracy is not
being
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
defined by Tom DeLay and Rick Perry.. It is defined in our Constitution
and
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
our government is for the People and by the People.. The People spoke and
were ignored..
Who's your new CONGRESSMAN going to be up there, boy?
Why don't you tell me?? It ain't over till it's over.. Still got a case
going to the supreme court... 'sides.. you have nothing to crow about..
LOL.. Some have told me that you were hid out for a week when you learned I
was in Austin...
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 16:10:43 UTC
Permalink
Post by Redpill
my,my, you right wing little nazi conservative bible thumping morons love
to curse, don't you? see, the secret to cussing is to use it sparingly
and with effect. if you use it too much, it no longer has a effect, and
readers begin to think you have a very limited vocabulary,
shit-for-brains.
Post by Redpill
---redpill (see, there was only 1 poorly chosen word(shit----)
You are forgiven..
Post by Redpill
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Neal Atkins
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 21:07:26 GMT, "Bill Walker"
Post by Bill Walker
the voters in
this state spoke loudly and clearly.. they submitted written declarations
before the sub-committees of the Senate and the Congress..
What are you whining about you idiot? The PEOPLE spoke when they
ELECTED a majority of Republicans. The few measly "declarations" of
the paid rabble that was brought in by the demoRATS to disrupt the
hearings proved nothing.
How the hell would you know anything about what was presented, you gutless
little prick.. We couldn't pry you chicken shit little ass out in public to
know what was going on...
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
blah, blah, opposing this attack on our democracy.. Democracy is not
being
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
defined by Tom DeLay and Rick Perry.. It is defined in our
Constitution
Post by Redpill
Post by Bill Walker
and
Post by Neal Atkins
Post by Bill Walker
our government is for the People and by the People.. The People spoke and
were ignored..
Who's your new CONGRESSMAN going to be up there, boy?
Why don't you tell me?? It ain't over till it's over.. Still got a case
going to the supreme court... 'sides.. you have nothing to crow about..
LOL.. Some have told me that you were hid out for a week when you learned I
was in Austin...
RedPill
2003-10-14 21:15:11 UTC
Permalink
ole Tommy delay knows exactly what he's doing. power grab. so they can take
more control of the Texas government. and Texans stand around with their
cocks in their hands, and wonder when the next football game will be
televised. that's a product of our fine public school system. Europeans
would NEVER let this go on. those folks are smarter and more aware. I guess
having a couple wars fought on your own soil tends to sharpen your
perspective of the world. there are news stories of German teens joking
about this country and the buffoon in the white house. teens who are more
mature and aware than teens here. and I know, because I lived in Germany for
2 years.



---redpill.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this
may
Post by RedPill
be only the beginning.
---redpill.
The re-distriicting strategy is only the beginning.. Pay attention to Tom
DeLay.. He has promised this to all of us.. Pay attention... the voters in
this state spoke loudly and clearly.. they submitted written declarations
before the sub-committees of the Senate and the Congress.. Blatant disregard
for their constituents, republican as well as democrats was the ruling made
by the Speaker, Tom Craddick, when confronted with the stacks of
declarations opposing this attack on our democracy.. Democracy is not being
defined by Tom DeLay and Rick Perry.. It is defined in our Constitution and
our government is for the People and by the People.. The People spoke and
were ignored..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
washingtonpost.com
The Soviet Republic of Texas
Tuesday, October 14, 2003; Page A22
YOU MIGHT THINK America's rigged system of congressional elections
couldn't get much worse. Self-serving redistricting schemes
nationwide
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
already have left an overwhelming number of seats in the House of
Representatives so uncompetitive that election results are
practically
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
as preordained as in the old Soviet Union. In the last election, for
example, 98 percent of incumbents were reelected, and the average
winning candidate got more than 70 percent of the vote. More
candidates ran without any major-party opposition than won by a
margin
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
of less than 20 percent. Yet even given this record, the
just-completed Texas congressional redistricting plan represents a
new
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
low.
The plan grabbed headlines as a consequence of the flight by
Democrats
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
-- twice -- from the state to prevent its adoption. The Democrats,
whose only hope, being in the minority in both houses, was to prevent
a quorum, eventually gave in; the legislature has adopted the plan.
It's abhorrent on two counts. Texas Republicans, egged on by U.S.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, violated a longstanding tradition by
redrawing the map in the middle of a census cycle. Their new rule
seems to be, why wait 10 years if you can cram something down your
opponents' throats today? And their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
We don't know whether the plan violates the Voting Rights Act or will
survive legal challenge. What is clear, however, is that it will
aggravate the triumph of extremes in Washington while further
sovietizing America's already-fixed electoral game.
The map Republicans have produced is a remarkable feat of
gerrymandering. The 19th District, once confined to the western side
of the state, now snakes halfway across it to scavenge voters from
the
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
current district of Democratic Rep. Charles Stenholm. Beneath it now
sprawls the once-compact 11th District of Democratic Rep. Chet
Edwards, which has been completely redrawn to help a friend of George
W. Bush get elected to Congress. The south of the state now looks
like
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
a pinstripe suit, with narrow districts snaking from north to south
in
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
order to pack Hispanic-majority voters in just a few districts,
including a new one. Dallas liberal Martin Frost, meanwhile, suddenly
has a new district, 63 percent of whose voters are Republican. The
goal here is not subtle. As Republican state Rep. Phil King, who
helped draw the map, put it to the Austin American Statesman, "I
would
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
suspect that [any Democrat] who is not in a minority district would
have a very competitive race."
The current Texas House delegation includes 17 Democrats and 15
Republicans. This balance, no doubt, is a residue of a time when
Democrats were more powerful in the state than they are today and
reflects deliberate incumbent protection by past legislatures. It
also, however, reflects the fact that some Democratic members have
effectively represented their increasingly conservative districts and
remained popular. The pernicious effect of partisan redistricting in
general is the weakening of the center with the creation of "safe"
seats for both parties -- which encourages the election of people
considerably to the left or right of the state's political center of
gravity. Do Texans really want a polarized delegation of 22
conservative Republicans and 10 liberal Democrats, as the current
plan
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
envisions? Do they really want a state with a white party and a
minority party? Republican politicians are engineering it that way,
whatever voters may want. For redistricting -- quite the inverse of
elections -- is a process in which politicians get to choose their
voters. It is a process that a healthy democracy would seek to
reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21839-2003Oct13.html
Post by Bill Walker
_____________________________________________________________________
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
http://votedelayout.org/
Bill Walker
2003-10-14 21:27:28 UTC
Permalink
Post by RedPill
ole Tommy delay knows exactly what he's doing. power grab. so they can take
more control of the Texas government. and Texans stand around with their
cocks in their hands, and wonder when the next football game will be
televised. that's a product of our fine public school system. Europeans
would NEVER let this go on. those folks are smarter and more aware. I guess
having a couple wars fought on your own soil tends to sharpen your
perspective of the world. there are news stories of German teens joking
about this country and the buffoon in the white house. teens who are more
mature and aware than teens here. and I know, because I lived in Germany for
2 years.
If Neal Atkins is any example of the republican opposition, you can be
assured that Bush, DeLay and Perry are history.. Seems their supporters
don't have the balls to be confronted.. LOL.. The postings made by those
guys are too funny to be taken seriously.. All hat and no cattle..
Post by RedPill
---redpill.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this
may
Post by RedPill
be only the beginning.
---redpill.
The re-distriicting strategy is only the beginning.. Pay attention to Tom
DeLay.. He has promised this to all of us.. Pay attention... the voters in
this state spoke loudly and clearly.. they submitted written
declarations
Post by RedPill
Post by Bill Walker
before the sub-committees of the Senate and the Congress.. Blatant
disregard
Post by Bill Walker
for their constituents, republican as well as democrats was the ruling
made
Post by Bill Walker
by the Speaker, Tom Craddick, when confronted with the stacks of
declarations opposing this attack on our democracy.. Democracy is not
being
Post by Bill Walker
defined by Tom DeLay and Rick Perry.. It is defined in our Constitution
and
Post by Bill Walker
our government is for the People and by the People.. The People spoke and
were ignored..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
washingtonpost.com
The Soviet Republic of Texas
Tuesday, October 14, 2003; Page A22
YOU MIGHT THINK America's rigged system of congressional elections
couldn't get much worse. Self-serving redistricting schemes
nationwide
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
already have left an overwhelming number of seats in the House of
Representatives so uncompetitive that election results are
practically
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
as preordained as in the old Soviet Union. In the last election,
for
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
example, 98 percent of incumbents were reelected, and the average
winning candidate got more than 70 percent of the vote. More
candidates ran without any major-party opposition than won by a
margin
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
of less than 20 percent. Yet even given this record, the
just-completed Texas congressional redistricting plan represents a
new
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
low.
The plan grabbed headlines as a consequence of the flight by
Democrats
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
-- twice -- from the state to prevent its adoption. The Democrats,
whose only hope, being in the minority in both houses, was to
prevent
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
a quorum, eventually gave in; the legislature has adopted the plan.
It's abhorrent on two counts. Texas Republicans, egged on by U.S.
House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, violated a longstanding
tradition
Post by RedPill
by
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
redrawing the map in the middle of a census cycle. Their new rule
seems to be, why wait 10 years if you can cram something down your
opponents' throats today? And their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional
delegation.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
We don't know whether the plan violates the Voting Rights Act or
will
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
survive legal challenge. What is clear, however, is that it will
aggravate the triumph of extremes in Washington while further
sovietizing America's already-fixed electoral game.
The map Republicans have produced is a remarkable feat of
gerrymandering. The 19th District, once confined to the western
side
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
of the state, now snakes halfway across it to scavenge voters from
the
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
current district of Democratic Rep. Charles Stenholm. Beneath it
now
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
sprawls the once-compact 11th District of Democratic Rep. Chet
Edwards, which has been completely redrawn to help a friend of
George
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
W. Bush get elected to Congress. The south of the state now looks
like
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
a pinstripe suit, with narrow districts snaking from north to south
in
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
order to pack Hispanic-majority voters in just a few districts,
including a new one. Dallas liberal Martin Frost, meanwhile,
suddenly
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
has a new district, 63 percent of whose voters are Republican. The
goal here is not subtle. As Republican state Rep. Phil King, who
helped draw the map, put it to the Austin American Statesman, "I
would
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
suspect that [any Democrat] who is not in a minority district would
have a very competitive race."
The current Texas House delegation includes 17 Democrats and 15
Republicans. This balance, no doubt, is a residue of a time when
Democrats were more powerful in the state than they are today and
reflects deliberate incumbent protection by past legislatures. It
also, however, reflects the fact that some Democratic members have
effectively represented their increasingly conservative districts
and
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
remained popular. The pernicious effect of partisan redistricting
in
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
general is the weakening of the center with the creation of "safe"
seats for both parties -- which encourages the election of people
considerably to the left or right of the state's political center
of
Post by Bill Walker
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
gravity. Do Texans really want a polarized delegation of 22
conservative Republicans and 10 liberal Democrats, as the current
plan
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
envisions? Do they really want a state with a white party and a
minority party? Republican politicians are engineering it that way,
whatever voters may want. For redistricting -- quite the inverse of
elections -- is a process in which politicians get to choose their
voters. It is a process that a healthy democracy would seek to
reform.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A21839-2003Oct13.html
Post by Bill Walker
_____________________________________________________________________
Post by RedPill
Post by In Your Dreams
http://votedelayout.org/
Toby Petzold
2003-10-15 14:34:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by RedPill
ole Tommy delay knows exactly what he's doing. power grab.
Sure. But, thank God you were around to get wise to him.
Post by RedPill
so they can take
more control of the Texas government.
What a fucking dolt. Did you know that Republicans already hold every
statewide office in Texas? Did you mean to say something else?
Post by RedPill
and Texans stand around with their
cocks in their hands, and wonder when the next football game will be
televised.
Oh, I see. People who like to follow competitive sports are naturally
incapable of reaching the same heights of intellectualism that you
have. Go back to France, you mental pygmy.
Post by RedPill
that's a product of our fine public school system.
Meaningless.
Post by RedPill
Europeans
would NEVER let this go on.
What? Redistricting? You DID know, didn't you, that state legislatures
redraw district boundaries all the time? At least every ten years?
Post by RedPill
those folks are smarter and more aware.
Ha, ha, ha! That's right, you dope. Nothing like holding a European in
higher regard than an American when it comes to political involvement.
You've got to be the stupidest sack of shit I've ever read on Usenet.
Go ask the average European what he thinks of the unelected EU
government that's taking over the sovereignty of all the member
nations. If he knows what you're talking about, he'll more likely be
more interested in getting drunk and violent at the next football
match.
Post by RedPill
I guess
having a couple wars fought on your own soil tends to sharpen your
perspective of the world.
I am embarrassed for you.
Post by RedPill
there are news stories of German teens joking
about this country and the buffoon in the white house.
Oh, no! Are they the same losers who believe that Bush was directly
involved in the events of 11 September? I hear a good third of German
teens believe that. Are they on to something, you fucking idiot?
Post by RedPill
teens who are more
mature and aware than teens here.
Get lost. A lot of our immature and unaware teens are now serving
their country in Iraq.
Post by RedPill
and I know, because I lived in Germany for
2 years.
I'm almost afraid to ask whether you were there in the service
because, if so, I can only shake my head at the standards that ever
allowed you to to serve.

Toby Petzold

http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Redpill
2003-10-15 15:45:26 UTC
Permalink
AND, did you know that big business and the Rich put those republicans in
their offices???? of course you did, after all, you watch corporate owned
CNN and FOXhole news, etc. let me tell you of a little "event" that
happen a year ago. it was a story posted in your very own Houston
Chronicle in the saturday edition(the least read edition of the paper, of
course)
ever hear of the texas 48??????????? course not, because you get your
"News" from CNN, FOXhole news.
well, the texas REPUBLICAN party raised 64 Million bucks for their
candidates in 2002. of that 64 million, 34 MILLION was contributed by 48
Texas wealthy families.... that's right 48 families. now that means the
average donated by each family was 708,000 bucks. now let me pose a
question to all you brilliant minds out there. i I donated 708,000 bucks
to the republican party, don't you think i might want something in
return????? or am i just a nice guy??????? i DO want something, and that
is a VOICE in the texas government so that when i want a favor, I WILL GET
IT BECAUSE I PAID FOR IT. do ya' get that, morons??????????????? does
that sink into your thick skulls??????????????? these wealthy families own
businesses and have interests to protect and favors to get from a
government that HAS NO INTEREST IN YOU, THE AVERAGE WORKER, BECAUSE YOU
CANNOT AFFORT TO BE REPRESENTED BY YOUR GOVERNMENT. make any sense
yet?????? its YOUR government, but its been hijacked by a few very rich,
patiotic pigs. and if you don't believe, this story was carried in the
HOUSTON CHRONICLE, i believe december of 2002 (saturday editon--- so it
would not have as many readers, because, as you know, the houston chonicle
is owned by BIG BUSINESS, the Heast Corporation. you rednecks put that in
your pipe and smoke on it awhile.


----redpill (he's awfully smart)
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
ole Tommy delay knows exactly what he's doing. power grab.
Sure. But, thank God you were around to get wise to him.
Post by RedPill
so they can take
more control of the Texas government.
What a fucking dolt. Did you know that Republicans already hold every
statewide office in Texas? Did you mean to say something else?
Post by RedPill
and Texans stand around with their
cocks in their hands, and wonder when the next football game will be
televised.
Oh, I see. People who like to follow competitive sports are naturally
incapable of reaching the same heights of intellectualism that you
have. Go back to France, you mental pygmy.
Post by RedPill
that's a product of our fine public school system.
Meaningless.
Post by RedPill
Europeans
would NEVER let this go on.
What? Redistricting? You DID know, didn't you, that state legislatures
redraw district boundaries all the time? At least every ten years?
Post by RedPill
those folks are smarter and more aware.
Ha, ha, ha! That's right, you dope. Nothing like holding a European in
higher regard than an American when it comes to political involvement.
You've got to be the stupidest sack of shit I've ever read on Usenet.
Go ask the average European what he thinks of the unelected EU
government that's taking over the sovereignty of all the member
nations. If he knows what you're talking about, he'll more likely be
more interested in getting drunk and violent at the next football
match.
Post by RedPill
I guess
having a couple wars fought on your own soil tends to sharpen your
perspective of the world.
I am embarrassed for you.
Post by RedPill
there are news stories of German teens joking
about this country and the buffoon in the white house.
Oh, no! Are they the same losers who believe that Bush was directly
involved in the events of 11 September? I hear a good third of German
teens believe that. Are they on to something, you fucking idiot?
Post by RedPill
teens who are more
mature and aware than teens here.
Get lost. A lot of our immature and unaware teens are now serving
their country in Iraq.
Post by RedPill
and I know, because I lived in Germany for
2 years.
I'm almost afraid to ask whether you were there in the service
because, if so, I can only shake my head at the standards that ever
allowed you to to serve.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
RedPill
2003-10-15 18:37:02 UTC
Permalink
no, I'm only referring to the fact that most Texans pay more attention to
their 'competitive sports' than to their own government. so its kinda' funny
in a way, because not only does bubba give his money to the NFL, but he then
gets it in the corn-hole one more time by his own government because he was
too preoccupied with football to vote out the criminals who are doing the
corn-holing. so bubba is getting it in the ass and the wallet, and he
probably doesn't even know it......yet. all the world's a stage----damn
right.


---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
ole Tommy delay knows exactly what he's doing. power grab.
Sure. But, thank God you were around to get wise to him.
Post by RedPill
so they can take
more control of the Texas government.
What a fucking dolt. Did you know that Republicans already hold every
statewide office in Texas? Did you mean to say something else?
Post by RedPill
and Texans stand around with their
cocks in their hands, and wonder when the next football game will be
televised.
Oh, I see. People who like to follow competitive sports are naturally
incapable of reaching the same heights of intellectualism that you
have. Go back to France, you mental pygmy.
Post by RedPill
that's a product of our fine public school system.
Meaningless.
Post by RedPill
Europeans
would NEVER let this go on.
What? Redistricting? You DID know, didn't you, that state legislatures
redraw district boundaries all the time? At least every ten years?
Post by RedPill
those folks are smarter and more aware.
Ha, ha, ha! That's right, you dope. Nothing like holding a European in
higher regard than an American when it comes to political involvement.
You've got to be the stupidest sack of shit I've ever read on Usenet.
Go ask the average European what he thinks of the unelected EU
government that's taking over the sovereignty of all the member
nations. If he knows what you're talking about, he'll more likely be
more interested in getting drunk and violent at the next football
match.
Post by RedPill
I guess
having a couple wars fought on your own soil tends to sharpen your
perspective of the world.
I am embarrassed for you.
Post by RedPill
there are news stories of German teens joking
about this country and the buffoon in the white house.
Oh, no! Are they the same losers who believe that Bush was directly
involved in the events of 11 September? I hear a good third of German
teens believe that. Are they on to something, you fucking idiot?
Post by RedPill
teens who are more
mature and aware than teens here.
Get lost. A lot of our immature and unaware teens are now serving
their country in Iraq.
Post by RedPill
and I know, because I lived in Germany for
2 years.
I'm almost afraid to ask whether you were there in the service
because, if so, I can only shake my head at the standards that ever
allowed you to to serve.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Larry Kessler
2003-10-15 20:26:30 UTC
Permalink
Post by Toby Petzold
What a fucking dolt. Did you know that Republicans already hold every
statewide office in Texas? Did you mean to say something else?
Not all Texas voters are Republicans, however. By the same logic the
GOP used to ram through this ill-timed redistricting, some of these
statewide offices should be awarded to Democrats.
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 20:45:27 UTC
Permalink
Post by Larry Kessler
Post by Toby Petzold
What a fucking dolt. Did you know that Republicans already hold every
statewide office in Texas? Did you mean to say something else?
Not all Texas voters are Republicans, however. By the same logic the
GOP used to ram through this ill-timed redistricting, some of these
statewide offices should be awarded to Democrats.
Where does that turkey live anyway.. Who does he think went to Okla and NM,
trying to defeat this atrocity of a re-districting plan.. Besides.. if they
hold ALL the statewide elected offices in Texas.. what the hell are all
these republicans complaining about.. Run out of someone to blame for the
mess they have made for all of us, I guess..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
Larry Kessler
2003-10-16 06:06:32 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Larry Kessler
Post by Toby Petzold
What a fucking dolt. Did you know that Republicans already hold every
statewide office in Texas? Did you mean to say something else?
Not all Texas voters are Republicans, however. By the same logic the
GOP used to ram through this ill-timed redistricting, some of these
statewide offices should be awarded to Democrats.
Where does that turkey live anyway..
Don't know, don't care.
Post by Bill Walker
Besides.. if they hold ALL the statewide elected offices
in Texas.. what the hell are all these republicans complaining
about..
They're whining about not holding all the federal elected offices too,
or all the county and local elected offices. Seems a Republican's
idea of "fair and balanced" is one-party rule, with anyone who
disagrees with their, their party's, or their government's viewpoint
being either deported ("If you don't like it here, go to France")
prison ("Treason!") or worse.
Toby Petzold
2003-10-15 14:12:13 UTC
Permalink
Post by Bill Walker
The re-distriicting strategy is only the beginning..
Of what? Fairness?
Post by Bill Walker
Pay attention to Tom
DeLay..
Lots of smart people do already without your dire warnings.
Post by Bill Walker
He has promised this to all of us.. Pay attention...
Lots of the state's Republican leaders promised us we'd have
redistricting. So what?
Post by Bill Walker
the voters in
this state spoke loudly and clearly..
Right. When they elected Republicans to represent them in the
Legislature. You ARE aware that we live in a
constitutional/representative republic, right?
Post by Bill Walker
they submitted written declarations
before the sub-committees of the Senate and the Congress..
On your way back to France, maybe you should go back to Civics 101.
Post by Bill Walker
Blatant disregard
for their constituents, republican as well as democrats was the ruling made
by the Speaker, Tom Craddick, when confronted with the stacks of
declarations opposing this attack on our democracy..
Jesus! How ignorant can you be? Redistricting is the prerogative of
the Legislature. Since the Democrats couldn't get their shit straight
in 2001 and, instead, let a panel of judges modify the previous map
(which was a gerrymandered bunch of partisan Democratic shit), all the
Republicans tried to do was act on their legislative obligation to be
the body to draw up the map. It's their right. It's their time.
Post by Bill Walker
Democracy is not being
defined by Tom DeLay and Rick Perry.. It is defined in our Constitution and
our government is for the People and by the People.. The People spoke and
were ignored..
If "The People" are YOU, then ignoring them is only fitting. Ignorant
people have no right of redress.

Toby Petzold

http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
J. Steven Swinnea
2003-10-15 15:55:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by Toby Petzold
Jesus! How ignorant can you be? Redistricting is the prerogative of
the Legislature. Since the Democrats couldn't get their shit straight
in 2001 and, instead, let a panel of judges modify the previous map
Umm, if you look back it was the Senate Republicans who used the 2/3
rule to stop redistricting in 2001 and in effect sent it to the
courts.

S. S.
RedPill
2003-10-15 18:39:30 UTC
Permalink
yes it is. and when ever the party with the majority wants to, they should
be able to redistrict, right???????????? my, that is convenient. why
stick to the 10 year plan. after all, it was well thought out and had good
reasons to be a 10 year plan. I like spur of the moment decisions in my
government. helps keep things stable.


--redpill.
Post by J. Steven Swinnea
Post by Toby Petzold
Jesus! How ignorant can you be? Redistricting is the prerogative of
the Legislature. Since the Democrats couldn't get their shit straight
in 2001 and, instead, let a panel of judges modify the previous map
Umm, if you look back it was the Senate Republicans who used the 2/3
rule to stop redistricting in 2001 and in effect sent it to the
courts.
S. S.
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 20:11:45 UTC
Permalink
Post by RedPill
yes it is. and when ever the party with the majority wants to, they should
be able to redistrict, right???????????? my, that is convenient. why
stick to the 10 year plan. after all, it was well thought out and had good
reasons to be a 10 year plan. I like spur of the moment decisions in my
government. helps keep things stable.
--redpill.
I doubt if this one even knows what re-districting entails and why it was
implemented in the first place.. Maybe.. if he ever screws up the courage to
confront one of his legislators, he might suggest the strategy being
implemented annually.... LOL
Post by RedPill
Post by J. Steven Swinnea
Post by Toby Petzold
Jesus! How ignorant can you be? Redistricting is the prerogative of
the Legislature. Since the Democrats couldn't get their shit straight
in 2001 and, instead, let a panel of judges modify the previous map
Umm, if you look back it was the Senate Republicans who used the 2/3
rule to stop redistricting in 2001 and in effect sent it to the
courts.
S. S.
Jim Riley
2003-10-15 21:32:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by J. Steven Swinnea
Post by Toby Petzold
Jesus! How ignorant can you be? Redistricting is the prerogative of
the Legislature. Since the Democrats couldn't get their shit straight
in 2001 and, instead, let a panel of judges modify the previous map
Umm, if you look back it was the Senate Republicans who used the 2/3
rule to stop redistricting in 2001 and in effect sent it to the
courts.
The 2/3 rule applies to bills that have been reported from committee.
Bills are considered by the full Senate in the order that they are
reported from committee ("regular order") unless there is a 2/3 vote
to consider the bill out of regular order.

The House Redistricting Committee passed a congressional redistricting
plan, but it was never scheduled for debate in the House. The Senate
Redistricting Committee never passed a congressional redistricting
plan. So the 2/3 rule never came into play.

Congressman DeLay asked then Lieutenant Governor Ratliff whether he
was willing to drop the 2/3 rule during a special session. When he
declined, there was no reason to call a special session. So unless
there was a plan where DeLay, the Democrat-controlled House, and the
Democrat minority in the Senate and a few Republicans could ram a plan
down the throats of a Republican majority in the Senate, there would
be no reason for Senate Republicans to use the 2/3 rule.

It makes more sense that DeLay, a majority (but not a super-majority)
in the Republican-controlled Senate, and a majority in the
Democrat-controlled House could agree to a plan, but they were
thwarted by perhaps a dozen Senate Democrats. And please remember
that the Democrats started filing lawsuits in December 2000 before the
77th session had even begun.
--
Jim Riley
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 16:26:12 UTC
Permalink
(snipped totally, out of fairness)

Your entire response to the post is so juvenile, it got tiresome.. The
arguments have been made, for and against the re-districting strategy of the
Austin administration.. The matter now rests in the court system.. We made
suggestions to the Perry and DeLay crowd to put it on the ballot and let the
voters decide.. Notice, it was never brought to a vote.. The responses they
got when they took the sub-committees to the various cities around the state
was frightening to them.. I personally heard many republicans across the
state speak in opposition to the plan.. Max Sandlin, Royce West and many
other of our fine democratic senators, Lon Burnham, Roberto Alonzo and many
other fine democratic state representatives are very amused with your idea
that only republicans hold offices in Texas.. I'd suggest that during your
third year out of high school, you should think about getting out just a
little more to actually find out what is going on in our State.. LOL...

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx...
Toby Petzold
2003-10-15 13:46:47 UTC
Permalink
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this may
be only the beginning.
Huh! A contemptuous remark from a know-it-all liberal about the
intelligence of the same people who constitute the base of the party
whose joint he's puffing on. But too bad, comrade: the Dumbocratic
base don't know and don't vote. Goodbye, Martin and Lloyd. Your days
of undeserved power are coming to an end.

Toby Petzold

http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Redpill
2003-10-15 15:33:29 UTC
Permalink
the second Civil War is coming, girls, in this country. and if the right
wing wants a fight, they will most certainly get one. sleep well. now the
only question is, when?


---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this may
be only the beginning.
Huh! A contemptuous remark from a know-it-all liberal about the
intelligence of the same people who constitute the base of the party
whose joint he's puffing on. But too bad, comrade: the Dumbocratic
base don't know and don't vote. Goodbye, Martin and Lloyd. Your days
of undeserved power are coming to an end.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 16:37:59 UTC
Permalink
Post by Redpill
the second Civil War is coming, girls, in this country. and if the right
wing wants a fight, they will most certainly get one. sleep well. now the
only question is, when?
If you are paying close attention, it has begun.. You might be comforted to
notice, Tom DeLay and Rick Perry have not shown any inclination to face the
confrontation of the voters and consumers who have challenged them.. They
did send out sub-committees to try and sell the re-districting plan to the
voters..The only appearances they have made in public, have been to
collaborative audiences .. Neither would even consider allowing the voters
to decide the issue of re-districting.. Not much of an example for
leadership...

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Redpill
---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this may
be only the beginning.
Huh! A contemptuous remark from a know-it-all liberal about the
intelligence of the same people who constitute the base of the party
whose joint he's puffing on. But too bad, comrade: the Dumbocratic
base don't know and don't vote. Goodbye, Martin and Lloyd. Your days
of undeserved power are coming to an end.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
RedPill
2003-10-15 18:42:25 UTC
Permalink
they are probably scared someone might try to pick them off. I don't endorse
violence, that's always the last step. so much for the brave republican, the
ones that love sending troops overseas.

---redpill.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Redpill
the second Civil War is coming, girls, in this country. and if the right
wing wants a fight, they will most certainly get one. sleep well. now the
only question is, when?
If you are paying close attention, it has begun.. You might be comforted to
notice, Tom DeLay and Rick Perry have not shown any inclination to face the
confrontation of the voters and consumers who have challenged them.. They
did send out sub-committees to try and sell the re-districting plan to the
voters..The only appearances they have made in public, have been to
collaborative audiences .. Neither would even consider allowing the voters
to decide the issue of re-districting.. Not much of an example for
leadership...
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Redpill
---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually.
this
Post by Bill Walker
may
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
be only the beginning.
Huh! A contemptuous remark from a know-it-all liberal about the
intelligence of the same people who constitute the base of the party
whose joint he's puffing on. But too bad, comrade: the Dumbocratic
base don't know and don't vote. Goodbye, Martin and Lloyd. Your days
of undeserved power are coming to an end.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 20:15:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by RedPill
they are probably scared someone might try to pick them off. I don't endorse
violence, that's always the last step. so much for the brave republican, the
ones that love sending troops overseas.
---redpill.
During the speeches I made in Dallas and Duncanville, before the Senate and
Congressional sub-committees, those stooges couldn't even look me in the eye
as I addressed them.. Both ocasions, the crown was solidly behind me.. Both
times, I used more than the time alloted and both times the chairman didn't
have the courage to gavel me down.. So much for the courage of convictions..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
Post by RedPill
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Redpill
the second Civil War is coming, girls, in this country. and if the right
wing wants a fight, they will most certainly get one. sleep well. now
the
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Redpill
only question is, when?
If you are paying close attention, it has begun.. You might be comforted
to
Post by Bill Walker
notice, Tom DeLay and Rick Perry have not shown any inclination to face
the
Post by Bill Walker
confrontation of the voters and consumers who have challenged them.. They
did send out sub-committees to try and sell the re-districting plan to the
voters..The only appearances they have made in public, have been to
collaborative audiences .. Neither would even consider allowing the voters
to decide the issue of re-districting.. Not much of an example for
leadership...
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Redpill
---redpill.
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually.
this
Post by Bill Walker
may
Post by Redpill
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
be only the beginning.
Huh! A contemptuous remark from a know-it-all liberal about the
intelligence of the same people who constitute the base of the party
whose joint he's puffing on. But too bad, comrade: the Dumbocratic
base don't know and don't vote. Goodbye, Martin and Lloyd. Your days
of undeserved power are coming to an end.
Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 16:32:22 UTC
Permalink
Post by Toby Petzold
Post by RedPill
and the majority of 60/hr/week, cable TV brainwashed, public schooled
American workers don't know it. but they will find out eventually. this may
be only the beginning.
Huh! A contemptuous remark from a know-it-all liberal about the
intelligence of the same people who constitute the base of the party
whose joint he's puffing on. But too bad, comrade: the Dumbocratic
base don't know and don't vote. Goodbye, Martin and Lloyd. Your days
of undeserved power are coming to an end.
Toby Petzold
Holy Cow... what would you possibly know about the two men you are trying to
oust from their elected offices ? Those men are supported by many from their
district, who claim to be republicans.. "Undeserved power" as you put it has
been represented by both of them for enabling jobs in their districts and
representation of ALL their constituents.. Your continuous babbling is only
convincing to yourself and it is exposing your juvenile mindset..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx...
Post by Toby Petzold
http://www.neognostikos.net/blog
God Bless Texas
2003-10-14 20:14:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain, and now
they oppose majority rule in the U. S.
AllAmerican
2003-10-14 20:59:48 UTC
Permalink
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain, and now
they oppose majority rule in the U. S.
They had control for a Century in Texas. Now that the Republican party is
much like the old Democrat Party, we are seeing more and more Americans
switching from the extremist left
the Democrats have become to the GOP.

The DNC has no plan but to trash talk the Administration and their Country.
That will not cut it any longer. They have no plans other than raising
taxes.
Will they ever learn>
RedPill
2003-10-14 21:05:46 UTC
Permalink
Texas is becoming a joke. and the village idiot is soon to be thrown out of
the Whitehouse.

--redpill.
Post by AllAmerican
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain, and now
they oppose majority rule in the U. S.
They had control for a Century in Texas. Now that the Republican party is
much like the old Democrat Party, we are seeing more and more Americans
switching from the extremist left
the Democrats have become to the GOP.
The DNC has no plan but to trash talk the Administration and their Country.
That will not cut it any longer. They have no plans other than raising
taxes.
Will they ever learn>
Bill Walker
2003-10-14 21:34:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by AllAmerican
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain, and now
they oppose majority rule in the U. S.
They had control for a Century in Texas. Now that the Republican party is
much like the old Democrat Party, we are seeing more and more Americans
switching from the extremist left
the Democrats have become to the GOP.
The DNC has no plan but to trash talk the Administration and their Country.
That will not cut it any longer. They have no plans other than raising
taxes.
Will they ever learn>
Yep.. many of us have "learned" Mr. All American".. We learned well from the
corrupt assholes who have stolen their way into control of our nation and
state.. We have learned that none of you gutless pricks can stand
confrontation .. We have learned that you will all run and hide when you are
faced with opposition that will not be intimidated .. We have learned to lie
and steal elections .. All these things we have learned may not be put to
use during the campaign for our next election.. We have also learned that
you will back down when confronted with your lies and deceptions.. All this
WILL be used in our campaign to unseat the corrupt son of a bitch in
Washington.. Gonna be ugly, but, Bush can't win a second term.. Hell .. he
couldn't even win a first term..LMAO..

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
scott
2003-10-14 22:53:18 UTC
Permalink
Bitter Billy we Republicans are not playing around, we mean business here in
Texas and in the White House.
Do you understand? If not you will.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Bill Walker
Washington.. Gonna be ugly, but, Bush can't win a second term.. Hell .. he
couldn't even win a first term..LMAO..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
Bill Walker
2003-10-14 23:23:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by scott
Bitter Billy we Republicans are not playing around, we mean business here in
Texas and in the White House.
Do you understand? If not you will.
Yeah buddy... LOL... I watched a whole lot of the "real" republicans fade
and slither .. Where were you "business" dude ?? I understand perfectly..
Time goes on and there is more than a year left in the campaign.. Polls
falling like a rock, jobs being lost every month.. Slashing budgets for the
VA.. Servicemen in Iraq being slaughtered every day.. Better get yourself a
better plan than the one you got.. Seems like a lot of people in this
country aren't buying the Bush bullshit any longer... How's that "Scotty" ??

Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by scott
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Bill Walker
Washington.. Gonna be ugly, but, Bush can't win a second term.. Hell
..
Post by scott
he
Post by Bill Walker
couldn't even win a first term..LMAO..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
AllAmerican
2003-10-14 23:29:17 UTC
Permalink
You make my point very well Walker! Trash talk and no substance. Pathetic
sore loser!
Post by Bill Walker
Post by scott
Bitter Billy we Republicans are not playing around, we mean business
here
Post by Bill Walker
in
Post by scott
Texas and in the White House.
Do you understand? If not you will.
Yeah buddy... LOL... I watched a whole lot of the "real" republicans fade
and slither .. Where were you "business" dude ?? I understand perfectly..
Time goes on and there is more than a year left in the campaign.. Polls
falling like a rock, jobs being lost every month.. Slashing budgets for the
VA.. Servicemen in Iraq being slaughtered every day.. Better get yourself a
better plan than the one you got.. Seems like a lot of people in this
country aren't buying the Bush bullshit any longer... How's that "Scotty" ??
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by scott
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Bill Walker
Washington.. Gonna be ugly, but, Bush can't win a second term.. Hell
..
Post by scott
he
Post by Bill Walker
couldn't even win a first term..LMAO..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 00:48:34 UTC
Permalink
Post by AllAmerican
You make my point very well Walker! Trash talk and no substance. Pathetic
sore loser!
LMAO... Better take another look around you "Mr. All American" (what a
freakin' joke).. Ol' Dubya is desperate..
Post by AllAmerican
Post by Bill Walker
Post by scott
Bitter Billy we Republicans are not playing around, we mean business
here
Post by Bill Walker
in
Post by scott
Texas and in the White House.
Do you understand? If not you will.
Yeah buddy... LOL... I watched a whole lot of the "real" republicans fade
and slither .. Where were you "business" dude ?? I understand perfectly..
Time goes on and there is more than a year left in the campaign.. Polls
falling like a rock, jobs being lost every month.. Slashing budgets for
the
Post by Bill Walker
VA.. Servicemen in Iraq being slaughtered every day.. Better get
yourself
Post by AllAmerican
a
Post by Bill Walker
better plan than the one you got.. Seems like a lot of people in this
country aren't buying the Bush bullshit any longer... How's that
"Scotty"
Post by AllAmerican
??
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by scott
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Bill Walker
Washington.. Gonna be ugly, but, Bush can't win a second term..
Hell
Post by AllAmerican
Post by Bill Walker
..
Post by scott
he
Post by Bill Walker
couldn't even win a first term..LMAO..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
scott
2003-10-15 00:58:40 UTC
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Wonderful, polls 56% pro Bush today by the way.

"Bill Walker" <***@verizon.net> wrote in message news:yz%ib.27157>
better plan than the one you
Seems like a lot of people in this
Post by Bill Walker
country aren't buying the Bush bullshit any longer... How's that "Scotty" ??
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Bill Walker
Washington.. Gonna be ugly, but, Bush can't win a second term.. Hell
..
he
Post by Bill Walker
couldn't even win a first term..LMAO..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 01:00:57 UTC
Permalink
Post by scott
Wonderful, polls 56% pro Bush today by the way.
Depends on which one you are looking at... I guess.. What were they in
June... Like I said "fallin' like a rock" Take a hike... "Scottie"
news:yz%ib.27157>
Post by scott
better plan than the one you
Seems like a lot of people in this
Post by Bill Walker
country aren't buying the Bush bullshit any longer... How's that
"Scotty"
Post by scott
??
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Bill Walker
Washington.. Gonna be ugly, but, Bush can't win a second term..
Hell
Post by scott
Post by Bill Walker
..
he
Post by Bill Walker
couldn't even win a first term..LMAO..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
RedPill
2003-10-15 17:25:43 UTC
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whose poll? FOXhole news, LOL...


---redpill.
Post by scott
Wonderful, polls 56% pro Bush today by the way.
news:yz%ib.27157>
Post by scott
better plan than the one you
Seems like a lot of people in this
Post by Bill Walker
country aren't buying the Bush bullshit any longer... How's that
"Scotty"
Post by scott
??
Post by Bill Walker
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx..
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Bill Walker
Washington.. Gonna be ugly, but, Bush can't win a second term..
Hell
Post by scott
Post by Bill Walker
..
he
Post by Bill Walker
couldn't even win a first term..LMAO..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
RedPill
2003-10-15 17:24:18 UTC
Permalink
yea, right after they loose in the elections next year. I don't know if
you've noticed, but incumbents aren't too popular these days. LOL.

---redpill.
Post by scott
Bitter Billy we Republicans are not playing around, we mean business here in
Texas and in the White House.
Do you understand? If not you will.
Post by Bill Walker
Post by Bill Walker
Washington.. Gonna be ugly, but, Bush can't win a second term.. Hell
..
Post by scott
he
Post by Bill Walker
couldn't even win a first term..LMAO..
Bill Walker
Irving, Tx.
The Macho Milquetoast
2003-10-15 00:08:28 UTC
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Post by AllAmerican
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain, and now
they oppose majority rule in the U. S.
They had control for a Century in Texas. Now that the Republican party is
much like the old Democrat Party, we are seeing more and more Americans
switching from the extremist left
the Democrats have become to the GOP.
The DNC has no plan but to trash talk the Administration and their Country.
That will not cut it any longer. They have no plans other than raising
taxes.
Will they ever learn>
Without sufficient funds, any government won't be able to fund its
obligations. That leads to government borrowing in the capital markets.
Government borrowing means less money for business growth and expansion,
including jobs. More competition for available credit will drive up
interest rates and houses, cars, and durable goods will be more expensive to
buy. The Federal Reserve, of course, could print more money to satisfy
governmental and private borrowing needs, but then we get inflation! Higher
interest and inflation rates will increase the cost of American exports,
driving up the trade deficits. This all paints a very DARK economic,
political, and social picture.

James
GI Joe
2003-10-15 01:04:49 UTC
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Post by In Your Dreams
Post by AllAmerican
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional
delegation.
Post by AllAmerican
Post by God Bless Texas
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain, and now
they oppose majority rule in the U. S.
They had control for a Century in Texas. Now that the Republican party is
much like the old Democrat Party, we are seeing more and more Americans
switching from the extremist left
the Democrats have become to the GOP.
The DNC has no plan but to trash talk the Administration and their
Country.
Post by AllAmerican
That will not cut it any longer. They have no plans other than raising
taxes.
Will they ever learn>
Without sufficient funds, any government won't be able to fund its
obligations. That leads to government borrowing in the capital markets.
Government borrowing means less money for business growth and expansion,
including jobs. More competition for available credit will drive up
interest rates and houses, cars, and durable goods will be more expensive to
buy. The Federal Reserve, of course, could print more money to satisfy
governmental and private borrowing needs, but then we get inflation!
Higher
Post by In Your Dreams
interest and inflation rates will increase the cost of American exports,
driving up the trade deficits. This all paints a very DARK economic,
political, and social picture.
James
And you worry about a dark socialist picture. Right?
The Macho Milquetoast
2003-10-15 02:01:02 UTC
Permalink
Post by The Macho Milquetoast
Post by In Your Dreams
Post by AllAmerican
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional
delegation.
Post by AllAmerican
Post by God Bless Texas
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain, and
now
Post by In Your Dreams
Post by AllAmerican
Post by God Bless Texas
they oppose majority rule in the U. S.
They had control for a Century in Texas. Now that the Republican party
is
Post by In Your Dreams
Post by AllAmerican
much like the old Democrat Party, we are seeing more and more Americans
switching from the extremist left
the Democrats have become to the GOP.
The DNC has no plan but to trash talk the Administration and their
Country.
Post by AllAmerican
That will not cut it any longer. They have no plans other than raising
taxes.
Will they ever learn>
Without sufficient funds, any government won't be able to fund its
obligations. That leads to government borrowing in the capital markets.
Government borrowing means less money for business growth and expansion,
including jobs. More competition for available credit will drive up
interest rates and houses, cars, and durable goods will be more
expensive
Post by The Macho Milquetoast
to
Post by In Your Dreams
buy. The Federal Reserve, of course, could print more money to satisfy
governmental and private borrowing needs, but then we get inflation!
Higher
Post by In Your Dreams
interest and inflation rates will increase the cost of American exports,
driving up the trade deficits. This all paints a very DARK economic,
political, and social picture.
James
And you worry about a dark socialist picture. Right?
No, I worry about a dark fascist picture, courtesy of the GOP and its
puppet-masters the Fundamentalist Christians!

James
scott
2003-10-15 10:16:31 UTC
Permalink
Oh... a Macho God hater.

"The Macho Milquetoast" <***@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:yT1jb.4130> No, I worry about a dark fascist picture, courtesy of the
GOP and its
Post by The Macho Milquetoast
puppet-masters the Fundamentalist Christians!
James
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 10:51:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by scott
Oh... a Macho God hater.
You seem to be very adept at making observations without merit.. "Macho God
hater", indeed.. My impression is that he doesn't like the versions of
Bush's love for God and Country.. Give me a break.. LOL
Post by scott
news:yT1jb.4130> No, I worry about a dark fascist picture, courtesy of the
GOP and its
Post by The Macho Milquetoast
puppet-masters the Fundamentalist Christians!
James
scott
2003-10-15 16:54:27 UTC
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Thank you Dr. Bill
Post by Bill Walker
Post by scott
Oh... a Macho God hater.
You seem to be very adept at making observations without merit.. "Macho God
hater", indeed.. My impression is that he doesn't like the versions of
Bush's love for God and Country.. Give me a break.. LOL
Post by scott
news:yT1jb.4130> No, I worry about a dark fascist picture, courtesy of the
GOP and its
Post by The Macho Milquetoast
puppet-masters the Fundamentalist Christians!
James
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 17:16:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by scott
Thank you Dr. Bill
You are very welcome..
Post by scott
Post by Bill Walker
Post by scott
Oh... a Macho God hater.
You seem to be very adept at making observations without merit.. "Macho
God
Post by Bill Walker
hater", indeed.. My impression is that he doesn't like the versions of
Bush's love for God and Country.. Give me a break.. LOL
Post by scott
news:yT1jb.4130> No, I worry about a dark fascist picture, courtesy of
the
Post by Bill Walker
Post by scott
GOP and its
Post by The Macho Milquetoast
puppet-masters the Fundamentalist Christians!
James
Larry Kessler
2003-10-15 04:04:53 UTC
Permalink
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain
I'd like to know from where you got this factoid. Those form letters
that went out to newspapers all over the country?
Mike Smith
2003-10-15 12:09:57 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:04:53 GMT, Larry Kessler
Post by Larry Kessler
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain
I'd like to know from where you got this factoid. Those form letters
that went out to newspapers all over the country?
Geez, Mr MBA....... I thought you were "well read"....
Wazzamatter..... didn't the DU have the Gallup poll on their site?

From
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/10/13/national0129EDT0417.DTL
"The Gallup poll found that 71 percent of the capital city's residents
felt U.S. troops should not leave in the next few months. Just 26
percent felt the troops should leave that soon. "

Mike Smith
Scott Free
2003-10-15 15:29:11 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Smith
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:04:53 GMT, Larry Kessler
Post by Larry Kessler
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain
I'd like to know from where you got this factoid. Those form letters
that went out to newspapers all over the country?
Geez, Mr MBA....... I thought you were "well read"....
Wazzamatter..... didn't the DU have the Gallup poll on their site?
From
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/10/13/national0129EDT0417.DTL
"The Gallup poll found that 71 percent of the capital city's residents
felt U.S. troops should not leave in the next few months. Just 26
percent felt the troops should leave that soon. "
Mike Smith
Ummm... in MY book, "the capital city's residents" is NOT the same as
"the (unspecified) population"
GI Joe
2003-10-15 16:28:10 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Mike Smith
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:04:53 GMT, Larry Kessler
Post by Larry Kessler
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain
I'd like to know from where you got this factoid. Those form letters
that went out to newspapers all over the country?
Geez, Mr MBA....... I thought you were "well read"....
Wazzamatter..... didn't the DU have the Gallup poll on their site?
From
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/10/13/nat
ional0129EDT0417.DTL
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Mike Smith
"The Gallup poll found that 71 percent of the capital city's residents
felt U.S. troops should not leave in the next few months. Just 26
percent felt the troops should leave that soon. "
Mike Smith
Ummm... in MY book, "the capital city's residents" is NOT the same as
"the (unspecified) population"
In other words, Walker, Juan, etal see facts only as reported by Washington
Post, NY Times, Molly Ivins, DNC, etc.
Bill Walker
2003-10-15 16:39:31 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Mike Smith
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 04:04:53 GMT, Larry Kessler
Post by Larry Kessler
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain
I'd like to know from where you got this factoid. Those form letters
that went out to newspapers all over the country?
Geez, Mr MBA....... I thought you were "well read"....
Wazzamatter..... didn't the DU have the Gallup poll on their site?
From
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/10/13/nat
ional0129EDT0417.DTL
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Mike Smith
"The Gallup poll found that 71 percent of the capital city's residents
felt U.S. troops should not leave in the next few months. Just 26
percent felt the troops should leave that soon. "
Mike Smith
Ummm... in MY book, "the capital city's residents" is NOT the same as
"the (unspecified) population"
Please do not confuse Mikey with details that conflict with his marginalized
"analytical" capabilities.. ROTFL..
Larry Kessler
2003-10-15 20:17:00 UTC
Permalink
Post by Mike Smith
Post by Larry Kessler
Post by God Bless Texas
Post by In Your Dreams
their plan is designed to wipe out
moderate and white Democrats from the Texas congressional delegation.
Wow, the Democrats oppose majority rule in Iraq, where they insist we
withdraw even though 70+% of the population wishes us to remain
I'd like to know from where you got this factoid. Those form letters
that went out to newspapers all over the country?
Geez, Mr MBA....... I thought you were "well read"....
I am.
Post by Mike Smith
Wazzamatter..... didn't the DU have the Gallup poll on their site?
I don't know. I rarely visit that site. You, however, seem to camp
out there.
Post by Mike Smith
From
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/news/archive/2003/10/13/national0129EDT0417.DTL
"The Gallup poll found that 71 percent of the capital city's residents
felt U.S. troops should not leave in the next few months. Just 26
percent felt the troops should leave that soon. "
"Wishing us to remain" != "feeling [we] should not leave that soon"
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